What would you do?

I recently acquired a leopard pastel 66% het clown male and want some opinions on a female.
I was thinking of rolling the dice and purchasing a 100% het sub adult with another codom gene. Or playing it safe and getting a visual baby female clown but I wouldn't be able to breed her for at least 2 years. obviously the chances of me producing visual clowns is much higher with a visual female but I'd have to wait a longer period of time rather then picking up a sub adult and most likely be able to breed next year. Thanks in advance


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That's a great question! There are two sides to the coin, one is if you shell out the money now for a visual male and visual female the payoff will be higher because all the offspring will be visuals. But with that same money you could buy quite a few more hets and produce more offspring and get a variety of really cool morphs that could potentially be out of your price range. The other thing you have to think about is caging. If you buy a rack and fill it with hets it's not going to return as much as if you had all visuals. Personally I'd rather save up my money and buy visuals slowly one at a time.

I've also seen other people fill a whole rack with 'possible het clown' females, supposedly some people think they have a way to tell if they are het for sure and can get them really cheap. I bought a possible het pied bumblebee, now that it's mature I won't get the payout of all pied babies, but it was a cheap snake to begin with. Like the old saying goes, 'the sting of poor quality is remembered long after the sweetness of the low purchase price'. If you are going with all hets I'd buy them with other genes that are rare or non-existant or high priced in the visual so the potential payout is higher. It also works if you want to move projects forward. Some people go after the money, some do it for fun, but a lot of people go after the worlds first moving the whole industry forward. I prefer to do a little of each!

Depends on how much money you have to spend. It is always better to have a visual if you can afford it. Especially since you don't know for sure that the animal you have now actually has clown or not. Even if it does and you go against another het, there is no way to know the babies carry any clown unless they are visual babies. If no visuals hatch, you still cannot be sure the male has clown or not even if the female is a visual.

If it were me, I'd go with a visual female.

Not only will you feel more comfortable about whether your male is a het or not after only one clutch (better odds to produce visual Clowns), the worst possible result from a pairing involving the visual female is that you end up with guaranteed het Clowns to either raise up or sell.

I would stick with purchasing the visual female. If your goal is to produce visuals, its always best to go with what will give you the higher chances. Even if it means spending more money.

I know for sure my male is het as his clutch mates were visual clowns. I'd be willing to spend around 500$ on a female visual baby but for the same price I can grab a super pastel blade het clown that's just about sub adult size.

But I don't want to be stuck with all possibly het clown babies that can't sell, which I'm sure some would considering some would be leopard, pastel and whatever else I decide to throw in the mix.

I'm leaning more towards a visual clown just for the chances of producing visual clowns is higher, but waiting 2-3 years is no fun.




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Sorry didn't mean to say he is for sure het, 66% but some of his clutch mates were visuals


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Originally Posted by Ballday

I know for sure my male is het as his clutch mates were visual clowns. I'd be willing to spend around 500$ on a female visual baby but for the same price I can grab a super pastel blade het clown that's just about sub adult size.

But I don't want to be stuck with all possibly het clown babies that can't sell, which I'm sure some would considering some would be leopard, pastel and whatever else I decide to throw in the mix.

I'm leaning more towards a visual clown just for the chances of producing visual clowns is higher, but waiting 2-3 years is no fun.




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Maybe I read your post incorrectly, but I read your male as being 66% het which means that the animal has a 66% chance of being het. The only way a snake can be 100% het is if one of the parents is a visual. It does not matter if every animal in his clutch was a visual he could still not be het clown if one of the parents was not a visual clown.

THIS is what I would do if I were you. You can get a lemon blast (pastel pinstripe) het clown in your price range. If you do hit the visual lemon blast clown they are selling for $2,000 to $3,000. You could use that money to buy more snakes LOL. If it doesn't prove out the first year I would get a visual male and try again the next year. Personally I would have done it the other way around, get a visual male and breed him to up to 5 het females.

https://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/rep...-pythons/95672

https://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/rep...-pythons/43750

I think by getting a 66% het I should go with a visual maybe a pastel/blade. If I got a 100% het I'd be willing to roll the dice and get a 100% female.
Fortunately he does have leopard and I have a couple other females if he doesn't prove out I can still make some cool looking stuff.
Whatever I get from him and a visual clown will atleast all be het clown so I can breed them back.




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I am very hesitant to tell anyone breed this and you will get that and be able to sell it for a gazillion dollars. I believe people think this is a lot easier than it actually is. In this case the OP must acquire the right animals, they have to actually breed, eggs have to be laid. Babies need to survive. Now you have to sell them. The build it and they will come mentality fails when it come to snake breeding. You have to be able to market yourself and your snakes to sell.

Harsh reality goes like this... I produced a lot of healthy, nice babies this year. I have not sold even one of them at retail prices. I had two potential buyers. One fell through because of the hurricane and I could not ship. Another fell through because the buyer wanted a girl. Granted, I have not tried to market too much. I am on a five year plan and frankly don't have to make any money playing with snakes. I can also always wholesale my stuff off but that is for 50 cents on the dollar.

Do not get into this for the money, it is not there unless you have the cash to invest up front. I do this because I love to do it. If I pay for my rats for the year, I am happy.

Personally and obviously the choice is yours, I would only prove a possible het with a visual, even then you could still luck out. At least with a visual the worst case scenario if you luck out is to end up with hets which is better than poss hets.

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I know for sure my male is het as his clutch mates were visual clowns. I'd be willing to spend around 500$ on a female visual baby but for the same price I can grab a super pastel blade het clown that's just about sub adult size.

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I recently acquired a leopard pastel 66% het clown male and want some opinions on a female.

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It's either poss het or het the presence of a Clown in the clutch does not make a sibling het clown it depends on the pairing, and if it was sold to you as Poss het than it can go both ways (no one will sell a Pastel Leo Het clown for the price of a poss het and vice versa)

Het Clown to Het clown will produce Clowns and Poss Het Clowns (66% Poss Hets)

I'm not in this for the money, I know this is a tough industry to make money.
I'm simply in it to produce some stuff that I personally love but there's not a lot for sale or they're just crazy expensive morphs that I can wait to have and do it myself with my own twist.


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I'm not in this for the money, I know this is a tough industry to make money.
I'm simply in it to produce some stuff that I personally love but there's not a lot for sale or they're just crazy expensive morphs that I can wait to have and do it myself with my own twist.


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Sorry, I was not addressing you directly. I didn't care for some of the advise you were getting. There are too many people that believe that if someone sells a snake for a price they can get that price also. It is often not true, and it is definitely not true when the pairing is a couple of years down the road.