Can't decide on which albino morph. Thoughts?

Ok, so I have my budget for a BP set at $250 USD. Originally I was planning on going to an expo, but after calculating the costs of travel/food/entry/etc., it seems comparable to shipping costs. That said, I've been looking at a few different albinos from Dynasty Reptiles, since I've heard good things about them, and their snakes are already feeding on F/T. I haven't quite settled on if I should get a male or female yet, but I'm leaning towards female. Technically I'm only buying as a pet for now, but I know if I change my mind in the future and want to breed, having a female first would be ideal. Plus, while I'm not sure how accurate the info is, I've heard males are more likely to go on feeding strikes during mating season and I'd rather have a snake that's more likely to feed consistently. I think the only thing I'd see as a plus side to males is they tend to stay smaller.

Here's all the currently listed albino snakes from this particular seller within my budget: [X]

Originally I was eyeing one of the standard albinos, but then I noticed Albino Enchis also listed, and now I'm torn. So far I've seen albinos that have the white fade to yellow, or it may stay mostly yellow and white, and I'm good with either as long as there's at least a little white left. The Enchis seem like the white turns orange, and I wonder if they'd have any white left on them once they get older?

If anyone has any input on these two morphs, please share...especially if you have any pics of what these types of snakes look like as adults. I see tons of hatchling pics, but rarely adults, and Google images search is meh at best.

For what it's worth, I ended up settling on the Albino Enchi. I found enough pics of some to finally decide it's most likely what I'll be looking for. Fingers crossed the one I get ages into her colors nicely.

if it doesn't matter to you immediately and it might in the future for breeding why would you get a female? then you have the albino gene locked into a single animal and you're restricted to her egg laying schedule; what if she doesn't lay or lays bad eggs, etc.

if you get a male you can pass the albino gene on to multiple snakes.

Personally if I were starting out I'd get females first. Females take the longest to mature, so if you want eggs you have to wait three years for a female. A male can mature in about a year. I'd buy all your females first, then decide in a couple years on what male to pair with them.Then in three years you are ready to go. Plus if you wait for two years to buy your males the prices will most likely drop, then you can get males with more genes in the mix. I got too many males when I started out and ended up with a lot of males ready to go and not enough females that were up to proper weight.

I have two albino females about 1500 - 2000 grams, a high contrast and a low contrast. I can't believe the difference between them it's like night and day. Personally I'd pick from a high contrast line if I had a choice. My low contrast is het pied so I'm not sure it will make much of a difference once you get an albino pied.

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Originally Posted by illaoi

if it doesn't matter to you immediately and it might in the future for breeding why would you get a female? then you have the albino gene locked into a single animal and you're restricted to her egg laying schedule; what if she doesn't lay or lays bad eggs, etc.

if you get a male you can pass the albino gene on to multiple snakes.

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If they decide to breed, there's nothing stopping them from getting an albino combo male..... On the other hand the females take far longer to raise to maturity.

I like the albino enchi pictures I've seen. I was actually kinda disappointed with the super enchi albino as he turned out just to be a yellow snake with some side pattern. I bred the super enchi albino to an albino this year and kept a female to raise up. Hoping to see some of that orange color come through.

I appreciate all the feedback on breeding y'all. I'm glad I guessed right that getting a female first was the right call. I know they take much longer to get to breeding weight. In the meantime, I have plenty of time to decide if I want to breed or not. If I do decide to breed, then I'll have a female ready to roll. Granted, I know breeding is not something to be taken lightly, as it's a lot of work (speaking as someone who's family used to breed dogs), so I wouldn't even think about it unless I knew I could do it right and properly care for the offspring. I'd also need to learn a lot more about BP genetics. I've read a bit, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around it all. Then, and only then, would I get into breeding. I don't even really know what kinds of morphs could even work with an Albino Enchi (besides other albinos, cause recessive gene)...I just got her cause I fell in love the Enchi markings. There's also a good chance I'll end up with a yellow and orange BP in the future, which just sounds awesome to me (and even if she mostly stays yellow and white, or a mix of those colors, I'm still 100% okay with that too).

At any rate, I get to meet her on the 7th, and I am super excited about meeting my new snake friend!

Good choice. I love what enchi does to the albino gene. Personally, I'm looking at an albino enchi pied project in the future. My enchi pied male is ready, but my albino girl is still small, which is fine since I have other girls to pair him with in the meantime. They're both gorgeous snakes and I'm really excited about the potential of this project.

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Originally Posted by the_rotten1

Good choice. I love what enchi does to the albino gene. Personally, I'm looking at an albino enchi pied project in the future. My enchi pied male is ready, but my albino girl is still small, which is fine since I have other girls to pair him with in the meantime. They're both gorgeous snakes and I'm really excited about the potential of this project.

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That sounds awesome! I could theoretically work on a project like that with my girl, according to the morph calculators, but there's nooo way I could afford the snakes it'd involve, lol. Good luck! If you ever succeed, I look forward to seeing it.

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That sounds awesome! I could theoretically work on a project like that with my girl, according to the morph calculators, but there's nooo way I could afford the snakes it'd involve, lol. Good luck! If you ever succeed, I look forward to seeing it.

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Thanks!

You'd only need a male pied, unless you wanted to buy more expensive snakes. Admittedly, it probaby would go a lot faster if I bought double hets or even an albino het pied, but I wanted to be picky about the quality of the recessive genes involved. So I decided to start with visuals and make my own double hets.

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Originally Posted by Hikari

I appreciate all the feedback on breeding y'all. I'm glad I guessed right that getting a female first was the right call. I know they take much longer to get to breeding weight. In the meantime, I have plenty of time to decide if I want to breed or not. If I do decide to breed, then I'll have a female ready to roll. Granted, I know breeding is not something to be taken lightly, as it's a lot of work (speaking as someone who's family used to breed dogs), so I wouldn't even think about it unless I knew I could do it right and properly care for the offspring. I'd also need to learn a lot more about BP genetics. I've read a bit, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around it all. Then, and only then, would I get into breeding. I don't even really know what kinds of morphs could even work with an Albino Enchi (besides other albinos, cause recessive gene)...I just got her cause I fell in love the Enchi markings. There's also a good chance I'll end up with a yellow and orange BP in the future, which just sounds awesome to me (and even if she mostly stays yellow and white, or a mix of those colors, I'm still 100% okay with that too).

At any rate, I get to meet her on the 7th, and I am super excited about meeting my new snake friend!

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you were wrong. my argument stands and you could easily buy an adult het albino and have babies very soon after your male is a year or so old. so it's actually less time. other guy who said to get females first IS WRONG AND A NOOB

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Originally Posted by illaoi

you were wrong. my argument stands and you could easily buy an adult het albino and have babies very soon after your male is a year or so old. so it's actually less time. other guy who said to get females first IS WRONG AND A NOOB

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When your female takes a BARE minimum of 30 months to reach the minimum breeding weight (and actually 36 months is ideal and still followed by many) ....you want to buy your females first when your intention is breeding either now OR the future.... EVERY time. Breeders do not cough up mature females with good genetic potential without some serious $$$ on the table. Sure you may be able to find a mature het, but then you also aren't guaranteed that SHE will lay either.

You can have a 1 1/2 year male ready to go, but then you STILL have to find at least a 3 year female to pair him with .....ever price mature females from breeders?.....they don't like to give them away for obvious reasons het or not.

The "other guy" who said to get females first is an actual breeder.....

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Originally Posted by KevinK

When your female takes a BARE minimum of 30 months to reach the minimum breeding weight (and actually 36 months is ideal and still followed by many) ....you want to buy your females first when your intention is breeding either now OR the future.... EVERY time.

You can have a 1 1/2 year male ready to go, but then you STILL have to find at least a 3 year female to pair him with .....ever price mature females from breeders?.....they don't like to give them away for obvious reasons het or not.

The "other guy" who said to get females first is an actual breeder.....

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yep price them on morphmarket. there are several 2012-2014 het albino females on there right now for $75-100

you are wrong. sorry to say. buy one male and you can breed it to 10 females and make many albinos or buy 1 female and hope that everything goes well and you get 6 eggs. hehe. you are WRONG
i like how you said have you ever priced mature females like they go for some exorbitant price. you can find mature females on morphmarket for pretty reasonable prices. you're just a noob acting like you know something

by the way there is a mature albino female on mm now for $310 which is only $60 more than a lot of the yearling females go for you noob. i can tell you're a beginner

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Originally Posted by illaoi

you are wrong. sorry to say. buy one male and you can breed it to 10 females and make many albinos or buy 1 female and hope that everything goes well and you get 6 eggs. hehe. you are WRONG

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Opinions are neat..........:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by illaoi

you are wrong. sorry to say. buy one male and you can breed it to 10 females and make many albinos or buy 1 female and hope that everything goes well and you get 6 eggs. r

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Yeah, when I need help with League of Legends strategy maybe I'll contact you, but not for BP breeding advice :D....noob

I only see one albino female that's 1500 grams (or more) on Morphmarket for $400. There's no photo. They usually go fast, I actually bought the last one that was posted. All the other ones are over $1,000. Looks like there are only a dozen for sale (out of 221) that are older than a year and it looks like only 6 or 7 are over 1500 grams, most are over $1,000. Not much to choose from. Try finding a clown female that's up to breeding weight, you can't. The only way to get into most mid range / higher end projects is to buy the females as hatchlings or yearlings and wait it out. If you are looking for normals, lessers, or spiders you can buy big females for cheap all day long.

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you are wrong. sorry to say .... hehe. you are WRONG .... you're just a noob acting like you know something
.... i can tell you're a beginner

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I'm sorry.. but are you my brother?? I mean seriously, you sound just like he does when he's having a political argument on Minecraft...:rofl:

No offense to you of course, but if you can't make your point without telling someone that their opinion is "wrong" and that they're a "noob" at least three times in one paragraph, then I don't think that anyone is going to take what you say seriously.

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Originally Posted by illaoi

you were wrong. my argument stands and you could easily buy an adult het albino and have babies very soon after your male is a year or so old. so it's actually less time. other guy who said to get females first IS WRONG AND A NOOB

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Your argument was the male could throw around the albino gene, as could the future male they buy, so there's your argument gone already. Now my internet gaming lingo might be a little rusty, but I'll do my best. Buying the low lvl male first with the intention of breeding in the given time frame severely limits what you can buy as an high lvl adult. Sure you can buy het albinos and make dupes of your enchi albinos at best. But you aren't going to see OP multi combo females very often and if you do they cost a premium, damn P2W. Having a female enchi albino already leaves your possibilities pretty much endless, as you can craft it into anything. For example a Pied het albino male for an enchi pied albino project is a few hundred dollars and very available at the shop, but a epic breedable pied het albino female, if you even found one for sale (I suggest pure magic find build) , would be well over a thousand, possibly even 2k. Stick around newbie, we'll show ya a thing or 2.

P0WN3D

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Originally Posted by illaoi

you were wrong. my argument stands and you could easily buy an adult het albino and have babies very soon after your male is a year or so old. so it's actually less time. other guy who said to get females first IS WRONG AND A NOOB

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

Your argument was the male could throw around the albino gene, as could the future male they buy, so there's your argument gone already. Now my internet gaming lingo might be a little rusty, but I'll do my best. Buying the low lvl male first with the intention of breeding in the given time frame severely limits what you can buy as an high lvl adult. Sure you can buy het albinos and make dupes of your enchi albinos at best. But you aren't going to see OP multi combo females very often and if you do they cost a premium, damn P2W. Having a female enchi albino already leaves your possibilities pretty much endless, as you can craft it into anything. For example a Pied het albino male for an enchi pied albino project is a few hundred dollars and very available at the shop, but a epic breedable pied het albino female, if you even found one for sale (I suggest pure magic find build) , would be well over a thousand, possibly even 2k. Stick around newbie, we'll show ya a thing or 2.P0WN3D

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This thread turned into a wild ride. XD OWAL, As a gamer, can confirm your gaming lingo is on point.

I love how illaoi assumes I'd just be able to produce a breeding female out of thin air, or that I have the space for a bunch of males right now in the first place. I currently have space for one BP, as I do not plan on keeping any permanent snakes in tubs. My breeders would also be my pets, and kept in non-tub enclosures. That's just how I roll. I'd also breed more for fun than profit, and I'd have to be able to rehome the hatchlings I produced, so small clutches would be preferable for me, tbh.

Also, to show I've been doing some homework, here's how my ideal Albino Enchi Pied breeding project would go (if the breeding calculators are correct):

Breed female Albino Enchi to male Albino Pied, get 50/50 shot of Albinos/Albino Enchis that are 100% het for pied. Good chance I'd get what I needed from first breeding, even with a small clutch.
Breed successful offspring to another albino pied (or breed a female back to the dad, but I'm not sure inbreeding would sit well with me), for 25% chance at Albino Enchi Pied.

Plus side, no chances to get a non-albino (cause I love me some albinos), and it has the highest chances of success in the least amount of generations, involving a grand total of two/three snakes. Downside, albino pieds run over $1000 right now, which is why I currently can't afford to try. Still, fast forward 2-3 years, when my female is breeding size...that albino pied price may go down. A male wouldn't take nearly as long to catch up. Taadaa! Breeding project get, assuming I'd still want to try for that particular combo.

...could the experienced breeders chime in on if this is a sound theory? I know sometimes the calculators have quirks. I also know some breeders will breed back to parents to refine a morph, but I'm still researching the effects this could have on offspring. Of course, this is all strictly theoretical as of right now, but hey, a learning opportunity is a learning opportunity, and I'm gonna take it!

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Originally Posted by illaoi

you were wrong. my argument stands and you could easily buy an adult het albino and have babies very soon after your male is a year or so old. so it's actually less time. other guy who said to get females first IS WRONG AND A NOOB

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Before you start name calling, show the math as to why you think you are right.

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This thread turned into a wild ride. XD OWAL, As a gamer, can confirm your gaming lingo is on point.

I love how illaoi assumes I'd just be able to produce a breeding female out of thin air, or that I have the space for a bunch of males right now in the first place. I currently have space for one BP, as I do not plan on keeping any permanent snakes in tubs. My breeders would also be my pets, and kept in non-tub enclosures. That's just how I roll. I'd also breed more for fun than profit, and I'd have to be able to rehome the hatchlings I produced, so small clutches would be preferable for me, tbh.

Also, to show I've been doing some homework, here's how my ideal Albino Enchi Pied breeding project would go (if the breeding calculators are correct):

Breed female Albino Enchi to male Albino Pied, get 50/50 shot of Albinos/Albino Enchis that are 100% het for pied. Good chance I'd get what I needed from first breeding, even with a small clutch.
Breed successful offspring to another albino pied (or breed a female back to the dad, but I'm not sure inbreeding would sit well with me), for 25% chance at Albino Enchi Pied.

Plus side, no chances to get a non-albino (cause I love me some albinos), and it has the highest chances of success in the least amount of generations, involving a grand total of two/three snakes. Downside, albino pieds run over $1000 right now, which is why I currently can't afford to try. Still, fast forward 2-3 years, when my female is breeding size...that albino pied price may go down. A male wouldn't take nearly as long to catch up. Taadaa! Breeding project get, assuming I'd still want to try for that particular combo.

...could the experienced breeders chime in on if this is a sound theory? I know sometimes the calculators have quirks. I also know some breeders will breed back to parents to refine a morph, but I'm still researching the effects this could have on offspring. Of course, this is all strictly theoretical as of right now, but hey, a learning opportunity is a learning opportunity, and I'm gonna take it!

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Buying females first is almost always the right thing to do if you plan to breed. Because we are talking about albino's, a possible mistake could be buying too young a snake. I would really try to get one that is at least a full year old. You want a high contrast animal. Also if you want really good looking animals, I would chase Candy's or Lavenders instead of normal albinos.

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Originally Posted by illaoi

you were wrong. my argument stands and you could easily buy an adult het albino and have babies very soon after your male is a year or so old. so it's actually less time. other guy who said to get females first IS WRONG AND A NOOB

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Originally Posted by illaoi

yep price them on morphmarket. there are several 2012-2014 het albino females on there right now for $75-100

you are wrong. sorry to say. buy one male and you can breed it to 10 females and make many albinos or buy 1 female and hope that everything goes well and you get 6 eggs. hehe. you are WRONG
i like how you said have you ever priced mature females like they go for some exorbitant price. you can find mature females on morphmarket for pretty reasonable prices. you're just a noob acting like you know something

by the way there is a mature albino female on mm now for $310 which is only $60 more than a lot of the yearling females go for you noob. i can tell you're a beginner

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name calling is not helpful! negged!

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Originally Posted by Ax01

name calling is not helpful! negged!

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This guy does not get the spirit of this board. Even when we don't agree we don't get nasty with each other. He can take a hike as far as I am concerned.

oh yeah im being nasty when i try to give correct information and you all attack me and try to say im wrong when the facts are clear yeah it's all my fault. i see how you guys operate on this board very rude im out of here cya ill find another forum with some decent people who wont attack me for my advice

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oh yeah im being nasty when i try to give correct information and you all attack me and try to say im wrong when the facts are clear yeah it's all my fault. i see how you guys operate on this board very rude im out of here cya ill find another forum with some decent people who wont attack me for my advice

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ok, u may have your personal preference on breeding plans but it's not helpful to shut down dialogue in personal attacks and throw out insults.


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BTW weren't u the one asking these questions, starting these threads not too long ago?

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The way most convenient on my table to set up the two tanks is parallel to each other, which means the view is perfect for them to see each other. I have some construction paper put up now, blocking the view, but I'm wondering if that the situation I described would be ok, or stressful to the snake? No actual contact, just "vision" of each other

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I've tried to look online and in multiple sources I find lesser pythons which look like what other people call Mojave, and vice versa. Some lesser snakes have that sort of faded look and some don't. Some mojaves look darker and others don't. Can someone show me a good example of what these snakes are supposed to look like?

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lesser 100% het clown x lesser 100% het clown




what would the babies be and the ratios? I know lesser x lesser can make the blue eyed leucistic (called a super lesser I think)? But how would the clown gene affect the babies?

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If I thaw the animal out, then let it sit near a heat bulb to simulate a live animal, am I just screwed in terms of the rat/mouse if the snake won't eat? I imagine they are going to start decaying almost immediately. I doubt you can throw them back in the freezer? Just toss it and try again in a few days or.. ?
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those all seem like basic questions but no one made fun of u. everyone seemed pretty helpful. you're welcome to stay, learn, have fun. but if u go, no one would miss your attitude.

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Originally Posted by illaoi

you are wrong. sorry to say. buy one male and you can breed it to 10 females and make many albinos or buy 1 female and hope that everything goes well and you get 6 eggs. hehe. you are WRONG
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you're just a noob acting like you know something

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which is only $60 more than a lot of the yearling females go for you noob. i can tell you're a beginner

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That "hehe" really did for me. :rofl: Really getting yourself all worked up about some breeding opinions, huh.

This is a forum, for discussion. Not telling everyone you don't agree with that they're wrong and using "noob" 10 times with a maniacal little "hehe" thrown in.

Did they just rage quit?

Literally got sent a PM from illaoi that told me I'm a dork and to shut up :rofl:I've just put them on my ignore list. Please do not feed the troll any longer (they aren't even that good of one), ignore, and move along.

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Originally Posted by JodanOrNoDan

Buying females first is almost always the right thing to do if you plan to breed. Because we are talking about albino's, a possible mistake could be buying too young a snake. I would really try to get one that is at least a full year old. You want a high contrast animal. Also if you want really good looking animals, I would chase Candy's or Lavenders instead of normal albinos.

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I've actually seen "Candinos" and Lavender Albinos...the Lavenders actually really caught my eye as well. That purplish-grey color with the yellow makes for some interesting contrast. I do think low-contrast albinos can be really pretty too though...the subtle yellow on light yellow.

According to the breeder, my albino enchi girl will most likely have more washed-out patterning as she gets older, but keep the peachy-orange colors that the white will probably fade into...so definitely a low-contrast snake (which I am 100% okay with and am expecting). I'll find out once she gets older. By then, I'd have a better idea of what might be best to pair her with. I've heard part of the fun with Enchi is the interesting things it can do with some morphs.

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oh yeah im being nasty when i try to give correct information and you all attack me and try to say im wrong when the facts are clear yeah it's all my fault. i see how you guys operate on this board very rude im out of here cya ill find another forum with some decent people who wont attack me for my advice

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nobody attacked you for your advice. They did it when you acted like you're an advanced herper and started calling respected breeders noobs. we'll be happy to see you gone. this forum isn't a good place for prideful people to afraid to admit a mistake. when corrected take your medicine and thank the person trying to help

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She's arrived! If y'all want to see her, I posted a vid in the pictures forum on this thread: https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...14#post2573414