Kalatoa SD Retic

Just got him yesterday from Bob Clark platinum morph.
Would love some feed back on these guys ..
Growth rate, temperament, etc...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...8034f78130.jpg

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Get out your wallett........ Mines similar size and need food every 4 or 5 days or he will bust up his face of the glass and split open his lip..... Maybe be prepared for some slight cage agression? Mine will tag me if im not carfull when poking around his cage but as soon as he's out of his tank he is fine and wouldn't ever bite someone. By the way, beautiful snake!!! They do grow very very fast, i would suggest starting him off in an adult sized enclosure with hiding spots..... No sense in buy 3 different enclosures over the next couple of years to only have him outgrow them! good luck!

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Get out your wallett........ Mines similar size and need food every 4 or 5 days or he will bust up his face of the glass and split open his lip..... Maybe be prepared for some slight cage agression? Mine will tag me if im not carfull when poking around his cage but as soon as he's out of his tank he is fine and wouldn't ever bite someone. By the way, beautiful snake!!! They do grow very very fast, i would suggest starting him off in an adult sized enclosure with hiding spots..... No sense in buy 3 different enclosures over the next couple of years to only have him outgrow them! good luck!

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He's in a 28 quart tub right now from there I'll move them to a 41 quart tub and then once he outgrows that my dad build a 6ft buy 28 inch wide by 20 inch tall cage for him...

So with him being a super dwarf his appetite is going to be big? He's feeding on rat pups right now which I'm totally baffled that he's eating a rat pup..


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Originally Posted by robert7107

He's in a 28 quart tub right now from there I'll move them to a 41 quart tub and then once he outgrows that my dad build a 6ft buy 28 inch wide by 20 inch tall cage for him...

So with him being a super dwarf his appetite is going to be big? He's feeding on rat pups right now which I'm totally baffled that he's eating a rat pup..


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Sound like a good plan, I would think that they would have a similar appetite because sauzo has one that i think is 1/4 dwarf 1/4 sd and 1/2 mainland.... That thing eats like a monster if i can recall correctly......

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Sound like a good plan, I would think that they would have a similar appetite because sauzo has one that i think is 1/4 dwarf 1/4 sd and 1/2 mainland.... That thing eats like a monster if i can recall correctly......

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With retic does the rule of thumb still apply give him a week to acclimate before handling and feeding

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I would say so, give him a week to settle in.... then think about feeding and handling!

Being a retic of any size potential his appetite is going to be big. Did you get any other info on the parents? Curious if it's the same snakes that produced my 50% SD Ultra Ivory het Anery. I haven't seen Bob list any platinum/fire SD that weren't at least het Anery as well. I know the parents of mine were 6' Ultra Anery dad, and 11' Platinum/Fire het Anery mom. Both 50% SD I believe.
Mine was a year old when I got him and Bob still had him on rat pups every 7-10 days. I increased prey size to smalls, then medium, and soon to be on large rats all within 8 months. He keeps his small hatchling stock on maintenance feeding schedules from what I can gather in order to keep overhead costs down as well as for the fact that it's easier to sell and ship a small snake than a large one. After I got my boy eating a bit more heavily he's tripled his weight (500grams to 1500grams) and grown over 2' since I got him. I'd suggest hook training/tap training if this is your first time working with retics. Their feeding response is incredible to say the least. Definitely a "bite first, ask questions later" type of response. Purpose is to very gently tap them with a hook alert them to the fact that they aren't being fed whenever you need to handle them or get in their cage in order to turn off their feeding response.
The cage being built should be plenty big to house him comfortably for the rest of his life as well.
Week of settle in time applies to any new animal in your care when first acquired. Is this your first retic/larger constrictor?

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Being a retic of any size potential his appetite is going to be big. Did you get any other info on the parents? Curious if it's the same snakes that produced my 50% SD Ultra Ivory het Anery. I. haven't seen Bob list any platinum/fire SD that weren't at least het Anery as well. I know the parents of mine were 6' Ultra Anery dad, and 11' Platinum/Fire het Anery mom. Both 50% SD I believe.
Mine was a year old when I got him and Bob still had him on rat pups every 7-10 days. I increased prey size to smalls, then medium, and soon to be on large rats all within 8 months. He keeps his small hatchling stock on maintenance feeding schedules from what I can gather in order to keep overhead costs down as well as for the fact that it's easier to sell and ship a small snake than a large one. After I got my boy eating a bit more heavily he's tripled his weight (500grams to 1500grams) and grown over 2' since I got him. I'd suggest hook training/tap training if this is your first time working with retics. Their feeding response is incredible to say the least. Definitely a "bite first, ask questions later" type of response. Purpose is to very gently tap them with a hook alert them to the fact that they aren't being fed whenever you need to handle them or get in their cage in order to turn off their feeding response.
The cage being built should be plenty big to house him comfortably for the rest of his life as well.

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Originally Posted by jmcrook

Being a retic of any size potential his appetite is going to be big. Did you get any other info on the parents? Curious if it's the same snakes that produced my 50% SD Ultra Ivory het Anery. I. haven't seen Bob list any platinum/fire SD that weren't at least het Anery as well. I know the parents of mine were 6' Ultra Anery dad, and 11' Platinum/Fire het Anery mom. Both 50% SD I believe.
Mine was a year old when I got him and Bob still had him on rat pups every 7-10 days. I increased prey size to smalls, then medium, and soon to be on large rats all within 8 months. He keeps his small hatchling stock on maintenance feeding schedules from what I can gather in order to keep overhead costs down as well as for the fact that it's easier to sell and ship a small snake than a large one. After I got my boy eating a bit more heavily he's tripled his weight (500grams to 1500grams) and grown over 2' since I got him. I'd suggest hook training/tap training if this is your first time working with retics. Their feeding response is incredible to say the least. Definitely a "bite first, ask questions later" type of response. Purpose is to very gently tap them with a hook alert them to the fact that they aren't being fed whenever you need to handle them or get in their cage in order to turn off their feeding response.
The cage being built should be plenty big to house him comfortably for the rest of his life as well.
Week of settle in time applies to any new animal in your care when first acquired. Is this your first retic/larger constrictor? Any other snakes/reptiles in your care? Needs to be quarantined for minimum 90 days if so

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I'm not sure on that to be honest I contacted Bob Clark looking for a dwarf or super dwarf retic as a pet with a possibility of a breeding project Bob went through his collection while I was on the phone let me know what he had he was heavy on males and cut me a deal on the Platinum 50% super dwarf from what I remember of the conversation he said that his mail was 10 ft long so I'm assuming that the mail was pure super dwarf in the female was mainland Platinum

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Originally Posted by jmcrook

Being a retic of any size potential his appetite is going to be big. Did you get any other info on the parents? Curious if it's the same snakes that produced my 50% SD Ultra Ivory het Anery. I haven't seen Bob list any platinum/fire SD that weren't at least het Anery as well. I know the parents of mine were 6' Ultra Anery dad, and 11' Platinum/Fire het Anery mom. Both 50% SD I believe.
Mine was a year old when I got him and Bob still had him on rat pups every 7-10 days. I increased prey size to smalls, then medium, and soon to be on large rats all within 8 months. He keeps his small hatchling stock on maintenance feeding schedules from what I can gather in order to keep overhead costs down as well as for the fact that it's easier to sell and ship a small snake than a large one. After I got my boy eating a bit more heavily he's tripled his weight (500grams to 1500grams) and grown over 2' since I got him. I'd suggest hook training/tap training if this is your first time working with retics. Their feeding response is incredible to say the least. Definitely a "bite first, ask questions later" type of response. Purpose is to very gently tap them with a hook alert them to the fact that they aren't being fed whenever you need to handle them or get in their cage in order to turn off their feeding response.
The cage being built should be plenty big to house him comfortably for the rest of his life as well.
Week of settle in time applies to any new animal in your care when first acquired. Is this your first retic/larger constrictor?

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I was into reptiles about 10 years ago went through a divorce and got out of them my daughter who is now 10 1/2 loves reptiles I have owned Burmese pythons in the past I've always wanted retic I have two cats that are 16 lb big but still fearful of a mainland getting a hold of them from a costly mistake I or my daughter could make that's why I went with super dwarf ..

I own ball pythons right now..

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I'm not sure on that to be honest I contacted Bob Clark looking for a dwarf or super dwarf retic as a pet with a possibility of a breeding project Bob went through his collection while I was on the phone let me know what he had he was heavy on males and cut me a deal on the Platinum 50% super dwarf from what I remember of the conversation he said that his mail was 10 ft long so I'm assuming that the mail was pure super dwarf in the female was mainland Platinum

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I'd venture to say a 10' male retic is almost certainly not a pure SD, especially not a pure Kalatoa. Everyone I've talked to with pure SD males have said theirs maxed out at 6-7' tops.

Nice light baby! Yeah it's surprising how big of a prey item they can eat isn't it? Retics grow fast, temperaments vary.

I posted some photos of our plat 50% SD in this thread: https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...dom-Retic-Pics
I'd estimate her to be about 12' or so, maybe a little longer. She's still got some growing to do but it will mostly be girth at this point. Males will generally be a little smaller and not quite as girthy (generally!).

Plats grow up to be so beautiful, one of my favorite color morphs.
Good luck with your little one!

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I'd venture to say a 10' male retic is almost certainly not a pure SD, especially not a pure Kalatoa. Everyone I've talked to with pure SD males have said theirs maxed out at 6-7' tops.

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My apologies I went ahead and contacted mr. Clark I misunderstood him the female is pure super dwarf she's 10 feet

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Feeding retic do they prefer small meals or large meals I feed my ball pythons frequently but small meals is that the same with retic?

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I was into reptiles about 10 years ago went through a divorce and got out of them my daughter who is now 10 1/2 loves reptiles I have owned Burmese pythons in the past I've always wanted retic I have two cats that are 16 lb big but still fearful of a mainland getting a hold of them from a costly mistake I or my daughter could make that's why I went with super dwarf ..

I own ball pythons right now..

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Ahh gotcha. 50% male SD should stay manageable size. Being 50% mainland blood still offers potential for some growth but not too crazy provided you don't slam him with food too hard. Not sure how accurate Bob's sizes are on his animals though. When I was asking him about my Ultra before I got him, he said he was probably 30"? Was definitely closer to 3.5-4', not 30" haha. Makes me curious how big the parents actually are. 11' mom could have been 9-10', 6' dad could have been 7-8'? Who knows... What I do know is that at 19 months old, my male 50% SD is maybe 6'. I don't see him getting much more than 7-8' tops though. Seems to be putting on more weight than length anymore.

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Ahh gotcha. 50% male SD should stay manageable size. Being 50% mainland blood still offers potential for some growth but not too crazy provided you don't slam him with food too hard. Not sure how accurate Bob's sizes are on his animals though. When I was asking him about my Ultra before I got him, he said he was probably 30"? Was definitely closer to 3.5-4', not 30" haha. Makes me curious how big the parents actually are. 11' mom could have been 9-10', 6' dad could have been 7-8'? Who knows... What I do know is that at 19 months old, my male 50% SD is maybe 6'. I don't see him getting much more than 7-8' tops though. Seems to be putting on more weight than length anymore.

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How would you feed him to keep him happy but not grow insanely fast or get super BIG

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Feeding retic do they prefer small meals or large meals I feed my ball pythons frequently but small meals is that the same with retic?

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Not to sound like a jerk, but a lot of these are questions that should have been asked before acquiring a "larger" snake like a retic. Having said that, retics can take a substantially larger meal than other snakes. Not that they need to all the time but they can and will take larger prey more frequently than a ball python. You will also be astonished at the speed of their metabolism. You can give them a meal close to 1.5x their widest girth and their food lump will be gone in 3-4 days. My 8.5' Kalatoa SD girl eats an xxl rat once a week and is pacing the cage looking for more by the 5th and 6th day. She's getting bumped up to xxxl rats in a couple more feedings with a 4xl quinea pig here and there to keep her content. She's got a progression thread on here Kalatoa 100% Pure SD Retic Progression (Pic heavy...) as well as my ultra ivory boy (Gerald Super Dwarf Ultra Ivory Retic Progression). Phyllis's thread is kinda long at this point but I've tried to keep it fairly updated with her progress over the last couple years.

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How would you feed him to keep him happy but not grow insanely fast or get super BIG

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Just have to try different approaches and see what works best for you and the snake. Some will totally destroy their faces from pushing if not fed enough, others are totally fine. I'd start with a weekly feeding schedule feeding a prey item about the thickness of the snake, maybe a little bigger, and observe his behaviors. Both of mine are climbing the walls and smashing their faces at the doors by day 6 or so. Other folks say theirs do fine on a 10 day schedule. To some degree you just have to listen to what the snake tells you it wants/needs. I'd keep it on rat pups if that's what it was eating at Bob's place.

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Originally Posted by jmcrook

Not to sound like a jerk, but a lot of these are questions that should have been asked before acquiring a "larger" snake like a retic. Having said that, retics can take a substantially larger meal than other snakes. Not that they need to all the time but they can and will take larger prey more frequently than a ball python. You will also be astonished at the speed of their metabolism. You can give them a meal close to 1.5x their widest girth and their food lump will be gone in 3-4 days. My 8.5' Kalatoa SD girl eats an xxl rat once a week and is pacing the cage looking for more by the 5th and 6th day. She's getting bumped up to xxxl rats in a couple more feedings with a 4xl quinea pig here and there to keep her content. She's got a progression thread on here Kalatoa 100% Pure SD Retic Progression (Pic heavy...) as well as my ultra ivory boy (Gerald Super Dwarf Ultra Ivory Retic Progression). Phyllis's thread is kinda long at this point but I've tried to keep it fairly updated with her progress over the last couple years.

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I don't believe you sound like a jerk and I'm not really sure on the dwarf super dwarf compared to Mainland either way I'm fully capable of taking care of this animal and providing for his needs just a little insight that's all I'm searching for experiences from people that actually own this island Locale mainly

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I don't believe you sound like a jerk and I'm not really sure on the dwarf super dwarf compared to Mainland either way I'm fully capable of taking care of this animal and providing for his needs just a little insight that's all I'm searching for experiences from people that actually own this island Locale mainly

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Right on, yeah I'd start with weekly feedings and see how things go. Just don't slam him with food too hard and he should grow at a comfortable healthy rate without getting massive. I'm still astonished at how small Gerald is being almost 2 years old and 50% Thailand mainland retic.