Is there an alternative for a heater/CHE?

So my two BPs that I got about a few weeks ago have been kept in their enclosures and only taken out for daily handling and to keep then warm under the sun. Lately I've been thinking of getting a heater to help with their body heat as their skin feels quite chilly. But, my parents won't let me get one as it uses a lot of electricity. Is there any alternatives for heaters? Currently I'm just sunbathing them through my window while handling. I would really love to get any help or opinions from you guys, especially the veterans. Thanks!

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First BP enclosure (BP hiding)

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Second one (BP also hiding :P)

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Heat tape/UTH and thermostat. Do you have a heat source at all? What is your ambient temp?

BTW... Political stuff may not go over well here. There are people from all over the the world lurking on this forum. This is a place for snake talk not politics.

It sounds like you dont have a heat sorce at all(Besides taking them out to sunbath them by the window?) You need some sort of heat sorce that brings the tank to 90 on the hot side and 80-85 on the cold

You NEED a source of regulated heat, I repeat you NEED a source of regulated heat or your animals will get respiratory infections and will not be able to digest food. There is no other alternative.


This is not an option. If you keep a ball python in a plain glass tank without any heat source they will be dead sooner than later...I'm assuming for right now your room isn't hitting the upper 80's every day like a few people on this forum from southern Florida.

At the very minimum you need a ceramic heat emitter (set to hit 90 degrees on the floor of the cage) on a rheostat/thermostat.


It is inhumane to keep ball pythons at common room temperatures without a heat source. Tell your parents your animal cannot survive without a heat source, show them my post.....it is the absolute truth.


....and off topic, I suggest you contact a mod and change your screen name. I'm not here for a political argument in any form.

Thanks to everyone that replied, seems that I need some sort of heat emitter [emoji14]

Offtopic, my nickname is slightly politically offensive, so I'll change it :D

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Please take a look at this https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...ius)-Caresheet

Not sure where you live but I would at least monitor your ambient temps in your room. If you feed your ball python and your temps go below 80F it could kill your snake, this is especially true with colubrids, if you feed them a few weeks before hibernation they can't get rid of the food in their system and will die. Not sure what the minimum temps are for ball pythons but I would imagine it's around 80F, especially since you don't have a hotspot. Most snakes will eat and then sit on the hot spot (90F) to digest. You could get a heat tape and thermostat and plug them into a 'Kill a Watt' to monitor your electricity usage, I'm guessing it wouldn't be more than a couple bucks a month. Ambient temps should go no lower than the mid 70's. Ideally a room temp of 82 is perfect, but heating the room would be more expensive than a heat tape and thermostat. If your room is cold (mid 70s) it's probably OK since the snake will just hang out over the hot spot all day. If you can afford it I'd also get another heat lamp and a separate thermostat to keep your 'cold side' at 80F. If your room goes down into the 60s I'd say you have a serious problem. Or if you live in the tropics near the equator you may not have an issue LOL.

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Not sure where you live but I would at least monitor your ambient temps in your room. If you feed your ball python and your temps go below 80F it could kill your snake, this is especially true with colubrids, if you feed them a few weeks before hibernation they can't get rid of the food in their system and will die. Not sure what the minimum temps are for ball pythons but I would imagine it's around 80F, especially since you don't have a hotspot. Most snakes will eat and then sit on the hot spot (90F) to digest. You could get a heat tape and thermostat and plug them into a 'Kill a Watt' to monitor your electricity usage, I'm guessing it wouldn't be more than a couple bucks a month. Ambient temps should go no lower than the mid 70's. Ideally a room temp of 82 is perfect, but heating the room would be more expensive than a heat tape and thermostat. If your room is cold (mid 70s) it's probably OK since the snake will just hang out over the hot spot all day. If you can afford it I'd also get another heat lamp and a separate thermostat to keep your 'cold side' at 80F. If your room goes down into the 60s I'd say you have a serious problem. Or if you live in the tropics near the equator you may not have an issue LOL.

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I live in Indonesia, so maybe not too cold? But still, it's really chilly at night, and my parents won't allow anything above 50W, which is a serious problem as the smallest reptile heaters I can find are 50W.

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I think you need to have a talk with your parents and explain to them that your pets are cold blooded (cannot control their body temperature) and need a heating source to survive and be healthy.

What's the room's ambient temp? Also, you really should change to a different bedding. Glass gets cold so having your BPs on something like coconut husk, will also help.

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I think you need to have a talk with your parents and explain to them that your pets are cold blooded (cannot control their body temperature) and needs heating source in order to survive and be healthy.

What's the room's ambient temp? Also, you really should change to a different bedding. Glass gets cold so having your BPs on something like coconut husk, will also help.

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I have, my dad thinks because he had a snake once that he knows ALL about them. Oh, he basically knows nothing imo. He thinks I shouldn't take the time to warm up water for a bath, just use freezing cold water. "It's fine, he doesn't take baths in warm water in the wild, does he?" Itvs because of this behavior that I can't make a proper enclosure for my snake.

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Originally Posted by cchardwick

Not sure where you live but I would at least monitor your ambient temps in your room. If you feed your ball python and your temps go below 80F it could kill your snake, this is especially true with colubrids, if you feed them a few weeks before hibernation they can't get rid of the food in their system and will die. Not sure what the minimum temps are for ball pythons but I would imagine it's around 80F, especially since you don't have a hotspot. Most snakes will eat and then sit on the hot spot (90F) to digest. You could get a heat tape and thermostat and plug them into a 'Kill a Watt' to monitor your electricity usage, I'm guessing it wouldn't be more than a couple bucks a month. Ambient temps should go no lower than the mid 70's. Ideally a room temp of 82 is perfect, but heating the room would be more expensive than a heat tape and thermostat. If your room is cold (mid 70s) it's probably OK since the snake will just hang out over the hot spot all day. If you can afford it I'd also get another heat lamp and a separate thermostat to keep your 'cold side' at 80F. If your room goes down into the 60s I'd say you have a serious problem. Or if you live in the tropics near the equator you may not have an issue LOL.

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And to add a little more, even though it is probably not relevant in this situation, cooling is just as important as heating. Those of us in warm climates have to contend with indoor temperature spikes. I spend far more effort and money cooling than I do heating. My ac died this summer and I ended up having to pay through the nose to get a new one immediately. Temps easily reach 95 inside my house in the summer without AC. Heat will kill a ball faster than cold will.

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And to add a little more, even though it is probably not relevant in this situation, cooling is just as important as heating. Those of us in warm climates have to contend with indoor temperature spikes. I spend far more effort and money cooling than I do heating. My ac died this summer and I ended up having to pay through the nose to get a new one immediately. Temps easily reach 95 inside my house in the summer without AC. Heat will kill a ball faster than cold will.

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Ok, is there a way to keep a certain area cool easily? I'm basically a newb to keeping BPs

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I have, my dad thinks because he had a snake once that he knows ALL about them. Oh, he basically knows nothing imo. He thinks I shouldn't take the time to warm up water for a bath, just use freezing cold water. "It's fine, he doesn't take baths in warm water in the wild, does he?" Itvs because of this behavior that I can't make a proper enclosure for my snake.

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In this case both of you are a little off in practice. There is no need to give a ball python a bath. They do not like it one bit and there is no benefit to it that cannot be accomplished with a damp cloth.

Explain to your parents that balls are tropical snakes. Their temp requirements are very narrow. A body temp between 84 and 88 is ideal. Being outside of that for too long is courting illness and or death. A vet trip plus medicine to treat a respiratory infection is going to cost more than setting up the environment correctly to begin with.

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In this case both of you are a little off in practice. There is no need to give a ball python a bath. They do not like it one bit and there is no benefit to it that cannot be accomplished with a damp cloth.

Explain to your parents that balls are tropical snakes. Their temp requirements are very narrow. A body temp between 84 and 88 is ideal. Being outside of that for too long is courting illness and or death. A vet trip plus medicine to treat a respiratory infection is going to cost more than setting up the environment correctly to begin with.

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Yes, I'm aware, I clean him with a cloth dipped in warm water. But, he insists cold water is fine. They also think that the effect of a heat gradient in the enclosure can be achieved by... letting the snake bask for an hour a day.

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Yes, I'm aware, I clean him with a cloth dipped in warm water. But, he insists cold water is fine. They also think that the effect of a heat gradient in the enclosure can be achieved by... letting the snake bask for an hour a day.

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Ball pythons are not basking snakes. They are nocturnal.

If you can't provide the proper husbandry for the snakes, rehome them to someone who can.

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Ok, is there a way to keep a certain area cool easily? I'm basically a newb to keeping BPs

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In my case I set my central AC at 86 durring the day and 84 at night. This is the easiest. Alternatives are good air circulation combined with evaporation. A ball that is getting too hot for their liking will often wrap around their water bowl since it is generally cooler than the surrounding air due to evaporation. You can also cover part of the tank with a damp towel which will bring temps down a bit.

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Ball pythons are not basking snakes. They are nocturnal.

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Yes, I'm aware, and that's what I've been trying to tell them. Btw the things I mentioned earlier was offtopic, just to show how cocky my dad is

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In my case I set my central AC at 86 durring the day and 84 at night. This is the easiest. Alternatives are good air circulation combined with evaporation. A ball that is getting too hot for their liking will often wrap around their water bowl since it is generally cooler than the surrounding air due to evaporation. You can also cover part of the tank with a damp towel which will bring temps down a bit.

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Thanks a lot! (no sarcasm intended, I'm serious)

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I second that if you are unable to provide adequate conditions for a ball python to live in and not just survive for whatever reason, you should do the right thing and surrender them before you end up frustrated and guilty feeling because something unwanted happened.

You must provide minimum condition for temperature and humidity. If you cannot provide that externally via the temps in your house then you must provide it through heating means in the enclosure.

What you are doing now is causing harm to these snakes and how you keep them now will not be conditions that are survivable. These are not temperate climate species like some corn snakes, they are subtropic snakes that require a specific range of temperature that the vast majority of people can not provide simply by being lucky enough to live in a region of the world that mimics their native conditions.

Give this snake a new home now please. Next time research before you get a snake.

A snake of any kind especially A Bp should not be something you get unless you have your own money to take care of it properly... or parents that buy you everything you want! lol

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I second that if you are unable to provide adequate conditions for a ball python to live in and not just survive for whatever reason, you should do the right thing and surrender them before you end up frustrated and guilty feeling because something unwanted happened.

You must provide minimum condition for temperature and humidity. If you cannot provide that externally via the temps in your house then you must provide it through heating means in the enclosure.

What you are doing now is causing harm to these snakes and how you keep them now will not be conditions that are survivable. These are not temperate climate species like some corn snakes, they are subtropic snakes that require a specific range of temperature that the vast majority of people can not provide simply by being lucky enough to live in a region of the world that mimics their native conditions.

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Okay, thanks for the advice, I'm still determined to keep him, as I've found someone who sells a heat mar for reptiles. Neat! I can finally make a decent enclosure.

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Originally Posted by Newbie39

Give this snake a new home now please. Next time research before you get a snake.

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If I hadn't researched, I wouldn't have gotten this snake. I have done the research for the basic necessities in an enclosure, and I've found a heat mat online for my BP.

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Some people seem to want to help, so I'll give some basic info in my home to help you guys:

1. I live in Indonesia, which is a subtropical country, so maybe that helps with temps.
2. The daylight temps are around 30°C and nighttime is around 26°C.
2. Humidity is fine, it's currently 58% inside.

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If I hadn't researched, I wouldn't have gotten this snake. I have done the research for the basic necessities in an enclosure, and I've found a heat mat online for my BP.

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You will also need a thermostat to regulate the power to the heat pad. Most important piece of husbandry equipment you need


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You will also need a thermostat to regulate the power to the heat pad. Most important piece of husbandry equipment you need


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Yeah, I also just found one of those. Thanks for the reminder!

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