Should i buy a spider?

Hello, i am sorry if this is posted in the wrong place please feel free to correct me.

I am looking into a 3 gened spider bp and i have contacted the breeder about the wobble. And he says she does have a slight wobble, no corkscrewing, but when excited she wobbles a bit.

This would be my first ball python, so i am here to ask if you guys think that is ok? I would like to hear also if this snake shouldnt be bred in the future? I am interested in possibly breeding her, would she pass on that wobble to her offspring?

I am pretty much ready to pull the trigger on this girl but i just have this one reservation on the spider wobble.

If anyone has any thoughts or opinions i would be greatful!

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It’s really more of a personal choice. You will hear very opinionated people on both sides but it the end it’s all about if you think it’s wrong or not.

Most people who own a spider however will tell you that the wobble does not effect the animals quality of life at all and they really are very sweet animals. I own a spider myself lol. The most it will really do is cause them to miss their strike on prey a few times maybe and act a little funny sometimes, such as hanging with their head upside down or getting shaky from time to time. Some people love it and thinks it gives them personality and is cute, others it really bothers. If something like that would bother you then I wouldn’t get it, but really it isn’t a huge deal IMO My girl has a slight wobble when she gets excited as well and it literally effects her in no way at all. She shakes a little before striking, missed once, I held the prey a little closer and she got it just fine. Also keep in mind that the wobble may change with age, sometimes they get worse, sometimes they go away completely, sometimes they don’t change at all.

As for breeding again it’s a personal preference, but the severity of the wobble does not effect how much a wobble the babies will have. All spiders have the same chance to get the wobble no matter what when they are born. A spider with no wobble at all can produce babies with severe wobbles and spiders with severe wobbles can produce babies with no wobble. I personally don’t have a problem with at and will probably breed my girl in the future. It’s really up to what you think is right


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Originally Posted by Roux

Hello, i am sorry if this is posted in the wrong place please feel free to correct me.

I am looking into a 3 gened spider bp and i have contacted the breeder about the wobble. And he says she does have a slight wobble, no corkscrewing, but when excited she wobbles a bit.

This would be my first ball python, so i am here to ask if you guys think that is ok? I would like to hear also if this snake shouldnt be bred in the future? I am interested in possibly breeding her, would she pass on that wobble to her offspring?

I am pretty much ready to pull the trigger on this girl but i just have this one reservation on the spider wobble.

If anyone has any thoughts or opinions i would be greatful!

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Pretty much everything that bluuwolf said. Only thing i have to add is, that if you do decide to breed you have to be prepared to cull a hatchling if the wobble is so severe that it can't eat. The wobble is also so far impossible to breed out.

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Thank you for the detailed and quick responses guys. I do love this community.
The breeder said that he has bred this combo for years and they havent had the wobble, but this particular girl does have it and he said that was unusual.

I admit the wobble concerns me but i attribute that to being inexperienced.

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Is culling a spider baby actually a thing? I don't have any personal experience myself but from what I've heard from breeders and others on here no one has ever really heard of or had a real spider hatchling that's wobble was so bad they had to be culled. Just second-hand accounts from people without a lot of experience. Just what I've gathered from stuff I've read

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I owned my first spider before I ever even heard of wobble, she’s a great snake and a great pet, never even knew there was anything different about her. Now I own 3 and a bunch of babies and of course know what wobble is. Some are more noticeable now that I know what to look for but even the worst of mine is no big deal to me, people make way to big of a deal about it. Most spiders have some degree of wobble but most you wouldn’t even notice without looking for it. I say go for it, you won’t be sorry.

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Is culling a spider baby actually a thing? I don't have any personal experience myself but from what I've heard from breeders and others on here no one has ever really heard of or had a real spider hatchling that's wobble was so bad they had to be culled. Just second-hand accounts from people without a lot of experience. Just what I've gathered from stuff I've read

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It's incredibly rare that it happens but it does. It's better to cull a hatchling that can't even be forcefed than to let it starve. I only know personally of 1 Bee hatchling that a local breeder had that needed to be culled and that was years ago. I have a spider myself and will eventually breed him when i get a female lesser pastel, i'm just preparing for the absolute worse possibility.

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We have owned and produced a large amount of spiders and spider combos. Wobbles can be light to severe, not present and show up down the line, or non existent. Animals with the spider gene get very excited when feeding. I notice this more with straight spiders than in combos. I have never had, or seen an animal with spider that was affected by its wobble to the extent that it cannot feed and thrive. Every animal we have had and produced has ate great and lived a healthy life. Typically what we see is that it is far less apparent with three and four gene animals. I would not hesitate to recommend an animal with the gene. Some of the combos that are produced are some of my favorite and the most colorful out there. As was mentioned earlier, in the end, its up to you. Hope I was helpful.

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It's incredibly rare that it happens but it does. It's better to cull a hatchling that can't even be forcefed than to let it starve. I only know personally of 1 Bee hatchling that a local breeder had that needed to be culled and that was years ago. I have a spider myself and will eventually breed him when i get a female lesser pastel, i'm just preparing for the absolute worse possibility.

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Ah alright I understand but culling is a part of breeding in general :P Wobbles and kinking and freak accidents just happen no matter what you breed, it just happens to be more common with some morphs. If you aren’t able to cull an animal if necessary them breeding isn’t for you lol

And that’s funny, I’m hoping to breed my pastel lesser Congo boy to my hypo spider girl in the future as well


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Ah alright I understand but culling is a part of breeding in general [emoji14] Wobbles and kinking and freak accidents just happen no matter what you breed, it just happens to be more common with some morphs. If you aren’t able to cull an animal if necessary them breeding isn’t for you lol

And that’s funny, I’m hoping to breed my pastel lesser Congo boy to my hypo spider girl in the future as well


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I'm absolutely in love with queen bees right now and want to produce one will take a few years though. So I'll be pairing Bonnie (lesser) with Clyde (pastel) to try and get a female lesser pastel. I'd then pair Monty (spider) with that girl once i got it to size.

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I'm absolutely in love with queen bees right now and want to produce one will take a few years though. So I'll be pairing Bonnie (lesser) with Clyde (pastel) to try and get a female lesser pastel. I'd then pair Monty (spider) with that girl once i got it to size.

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I love queen bees as well lol It was a bit easier for me though sense my first snake was my pastel lesser/butter Congo so all I really needed was the spider


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Originally Posted by BluuWolf

I love queen bees as well lol It was a bit easier for me though sense my first snake was my pastel lesser/butter Congo so all I really needed was the spider


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My first was M.J a desert she was a rescue. She'll never be bred and is now my nephews snake [emoji216]. Bonnie came as a rescue. Clyde was purchased online and Monty came from the local pet store.

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like this
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I have a 5 year old Albino Spider BP female. She is awesome. Docile as anything, and I don't really notice a wobble on her. Not sure if it's because she's mixed with Albino, or I got lucky, or just don't notice.

Either way, she eats fine, drinks fine, and is an awesome animal. It has never been an issue for me having a spider.

I am a spider advocate because I feel strongly that the negative stereotype of spiders has been blown terribly out of proportion. They are wonderful snakes and live healthy and full lives.

That being said, if you are always going to have it in the back of your mind about wobble being a defect then get one of the multitude of morphs that are not marred by this perpetuation of a non issue of a gene.

I have a spider myself, she was my first "morph" and let me tell ya, she is a eager eater. I watched alot of video's, read alot of threads on spiders and decided that the wobble was not going to be something i looked at negatively. Mine is absolutly docile as can be, even when she gets excited with food theres hardly no wobble to her. My best eater, she just got done feeding and she is going in to shed but still wanted to eat. Planning on also breeding her as well.

I would never turn anyone away from a spider morph myself.

You can see she's starting to go in to shed here but still eating.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...ff08d7d9cd.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...81fb5bb423.jpg

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Thank you everyone for your thoughts and comments!
I had been out all day thinking about it, and all this support helped me decide to go ahead and get her!
I just sent payment, so i am now not shy to show a pic of her. (I was worried she would get sold before i decided)
Shes coming from Garrick DeMeyer of royal constrictor designs, someone i trust based on many great reviews.

I am super excited and thank you all for the encouragement!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...a71f41a1b9.jpg

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Congrats, she's a beauty, you won't be disappointed [emoji16]

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Originally Posted by Roux

Thank you everyone for your thoughts and comments!
I had been out all day thinking about it, and all this support helped me decide to go ahead and get her!
I just sent payment, so i am now not shy to show a pic of her. (I was worried she would get sold before i decided)
Shes coming from Garrick DeMeyer of royal constrictor designs, someone i trust based on many great reviews.

I am super excited and thank you all for the encouragement!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...a71f41a1b9.jpg

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You didn't say it was a super mystic. Nice choice.

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Thank you! Yes i did not mention what she was exactly because i was afraid she might be bought from underneath me. Lol.

I'm a sucker for mystic though and she had a great price.
I did say 3 gene but maybe a super is just considered one gene... not sure.

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Congratulations! She is a pretty snake! You absolutely will not be disappointed with Garrick DeMeyer!

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Thank you everyone for your thoughts and comments!
I had been out all day thinking about it, and all this support helped me decide to go ahead and get her!
I just sent payment, so i am now not shy to show a pic of her. (I was worried she would get sold before i decided)
Shes coming from Garrick DeMeyer of royal constrictor designs, someone i trust based on many great reviews.

I am super excited and thank you all for the encouragement!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...a71f41a1b9.jpg

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Congrats she’s absolutely gorgeous!


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Originally Posted by Roux

Hello, i am sorry if this is posted in the wrong place please feel free to correct me.

I am looking into a 3 gened spider bp and i have contacted the breeder about the wobble. And he says she does have a slight wobble, no corkscrewing, but when excited she wobbles a bit.

This would be my first ball python, so i am here to ask if you guys think that is ok? I would like to hear also if this snake shouldnt be bred in the future? I am interested in possibly breeding her, would she pass on that wobble to her offspring?

I am pretty much ready to pull the trigger on this girl but i just have this one reservation on the spider wobble.

If anyone has any thoughts or opinions i would be greatful!

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I have a bumblebee that had maybe a slight wobble when young. Although now with age, approximately two years old, he has no wobble at all. I’ve heard that it is worse when breeders inbreed too much, not positive this is the case though. Guess I wouldn’t be overly concerned it usually dissipates with age.


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Small update, i got her in the mail yesterday!
She was cranky from her travels so i didnt get too many pics but here she is :)

Once again thanks to all that offered their experiences and opinions on the spider gene. Its caused me to really look at the fun spider combos out there.

Now the true challenge is picking a good name for her, ha.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d6ff5e70bf.jpg

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Small update, i got her in the mail yesterday!
She was cranky from her travels so i didnt get too many pics but here she is :)

Once again thanks to all that offered their experiences and opinions on the spider gene. Its caused me to really look at the fun spider combos out there.

Now the true challenge is picking a good name for her, ha.https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...d6ff5e70bf.jpg

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Very cool choice! Congrats!

I have a bunch of spider combos and some have a cork screw wobble and some don't have it at all. The Champagne also has the same problem as well as the Woma. I was in a pet store one time and saw a Champagne hatchling that had a wobble so bad that it couldn't stay on it's belly and was crawling around on it's back. Now that's one snake I would have considered culling. Some people stay away from spiders because of the wobble, but I think they are one of the most beautiful morphs out there, especially when mixed with pastel and fire. And with the pied gene gives you an almost completely white snake!

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I have a bunch of spider combos and some have a cork screw wobble and some don't have it at all. The Champagne also has the same problem as well as the Woma. I was in a pet store one time and saw a Champagne hatchling that had a wobble so bad that it couldn't stay on it's belly and was crawling around on it's back. Now that's one snake I would have considered culling. Some people stay away from spiders because of the wobble, but I think they are one of the most beautiful morphs out there, especially when mixed with pastel and fire. And with the pied gene gives you an almost completely white snake!

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I'm a sucker for bees but at first the wobble scared me. After talking to breeders for months and only hearing of one personally having to cull one butter bee years ago i decided to pull the trigger and get a spider for my eventual breeding program. Monty is a happy snek despite being a bit derpy, has the best feeding response i've encountered. He gave me my bite mitzvah lol.

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Good looking little girl congrats. I've never even seen a spider super mystic.

As for spider wobble. I honestly think its adds to their personality. My killer bee fader has fairly bad wobble or corkscrewing but she can still eat on her own. Now my sugar bee on the other hand has very little wobble and corkscrewing so it does vary. Only time will tell how well yours holds up. But honestly it won't be too bad and you'll see spiders have their own special personalities.

My two bee's are some of my favorite ball pythons.
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You absolutely will not be disappointed with Garrick DeMeyer!

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One of the best breeders out there in my opinion, the guy goes the extra mile for every transaction.

Yes, i was very happy with the purchase and how quickly and easily everything went. I will most certainly buy from him again.

Those are some beautiful bees EDR, i will probably get a killer bee down the road.

I had never seen a super mustic spider and i have been lurking morph market for months for mystic combos, and had to have her!
Just looking at her she doesnt seem to have a visable wobble when she just is going about her day. Ill see how it is when i go to feed her next week.

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