What morph is this ?

This guy was hatched out from a clutch of mine but I am having difficulty identifying it. What do you guys think? Pairing was Candino p/h pied X Albino. Hatched out 8/23/17. I was thinking Candino but thrown off by the coloration. I know the lavender may not show up right away in hatchlings. He's had his second shed but just not sure.https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...age_646381.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...age_472097.jpg

This is a pic of one of the locks of the parents.https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...age_608198.jpg

It looks kinda like my HC Albino pair ...


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Can I see a side view?

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Originally Posted by Seven-Thirty

Can I see a side view?

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Sure, thanks for weighing in. Incandescent lighting.https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...age_143227.jpg

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Originally Posted by Zincubus

It looks kinda like my HC Albino pair ...


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Thanks Z. I considered that also. I have a female also just like this male in coloration and patterning.

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Originally Posted by Seven-Thirty

Can I see a side view?

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Gotcha! I have to be slow and measured bc they all ate yesterday but thank you.

Looks like an albino to me. It's missing the high white flaming that is characteristic of toffinos/candinos. Do you have pictures of the rest of the clutch?

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Originally Posted by Seven-Thirty

Looks like an albino to me. It's missing the high white flaming that is characteristic of toffinos/candinos. Do you have pictures of the rest of the clutch?

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I will take photos of the whole clutch in a couple of days bc they all ate yesterday. I already disturbed them enough, lol. Thanks for your interpretation. I will post the pics on Saturday.

I'm thinking High Contrast Albino as well.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

I'm thinking High Contrast Albino as well.

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Thanks Rob! Appreciated.

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Originally Posted by Seven-Thirty

Looks like an albino to me. It's missing the high white flaming that is characteristic of toffinos/candinos. Do you have pictures of the rest of the clutch?

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Ok S-T, I got the four hatchlings out for the photo shoot. Can you tell or make an impression based on this pic?https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...age_671695.jpg

First, I would like to point out that I'm not real familiar with either of those morphs.

Just going by my own "first impression" it seems to me that the coloration is different in the top 2 from the bottom 2. Now...that could be due to lighting or where the focus of the camera was.

If I look at each of them at a time, they all seem similar. But if I look at all of them at the same time, it seems to me that the bottom two have a light pinkish hue to their "white". And the contrast seems a bit more "snappy" on the top two, while the bottom two it seems just a tad "softer".

But again, that could be due to how the light hit on top / bottom of the picture.

Well, I know this isn't helpful at all. But I do have to say, all 4 of them are Beauties !! Look so healthy and vibrant with great color and contrast!!

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Originally Posted by zina10

First, I would like to point out that I'm not real familiar with either of those morphs.

Just going by my own "first impression" it seems to me that the coloration is different in the top 2 from the bottom 2. Now...that could be due to lighting or where the focus of the camera was.

If I look at each of them at a time, they all seem similar. But if I look at all of them at the same time, it seems to me that the bottom two have a light pinkish hue to their "white". And the contrast seems a bit more "snappy" on the top two, while the bottom two it seems just a tad "softer".

But again, that could be due to how the light hit on top / bottom of the picture.

Well, I know this isn't helpful at all. But I do have to say, all 4 of them are Beauties !! Look so healthy and vibrant with great color and contrast!!

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Thanks zina. All of your determination is appreciated and helpful. Leads me to believe what the majority is saying so far... High contrast albinos and no Candino in either. :( Was really looking for the visual Candino gene in this clutch.

Different view here...https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...age_679647.jpg

Sorry for the late reply, hectic weekend. I cant really tell anything from the pics tbh but what you should look for is like this weird glistening white flaming that comes up on toffino hatchlings. The top two look like they might have it but I can't really tell from the pics.

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Originally Posted by Seven-Thirty

Sorry for the late reply, hectic weekend. I cant really tell anything from the pics tbh but what you should look for is like this weird glistening white flaming that comes up on toffino hatchlings. The top two look like they might have it but I can't really tell from the pics.

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Thanks Seven, I will look closer and maybe as they shed out and or age it will become more evident. :gj:

I wanted some opinions on this clutch guys. Some of you weighed in previously and saw these pics but....https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...age_472097.jpg

Side view....https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...age_595175.jpg

Clutch results... Any ideas?https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...age_419321.jpg

I don't know if it is just the light, but they are either darker than normal or super high contrast. The orange in the first picture is darker than any albino I have ever had and the ones I have had have been pretty high contrast.

One of the locks between the parents 1.0 Candino X 0.1 Albino... Thx.https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...0/9/image.jpeg

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Originally Posted by JodanOrNoDan

I don't know if it is just the light, but they are either darker than normal or super high contrast. The orange in the first picture is darker than any albino I have ever had and the ones I have had have been pretty high contrast.

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Thx. He looks more like photo #2 now but I will shoot some new photos in natural light from outside. :D

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Originally Posted by Albert Clark

I wanted some opinions on this clutch guys. Some of you weighed in previously and saw these pics but....https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...age_472097.jpg

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I'm definitely not an expert on these genes. But from a quick research I would say there is definitely no way you can rule out "Candino" yet. I've looked at a ton of pictures online, and at that age, they do resemble yours. It seems like the lavender comes in later?

The "high contrast" albinos I've seen had a far more "stark" contrast between white and yellow.

Your babies contrast seems a bit "softer". Also, esp. in the neck area, there seems a pinkish hue to the white. I've noticed those same things in your "group shot".

To be 100% sure you will probably just have to be patient and give it time..

Do you perhaps have a good "side shot" showing the flames on the side really well? I know those shots are harder to get, esp. by yourself. The hatchlings aren't really impressed with that kind of manhandling, lol...

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Originally Posted by Albert Clark

Clutch results... Any ideas?https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...age_419321.jpg

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Unless its the lighting, I still say the bottom 2 are different then the top 2. At least the top right seems to have a sharper contrast then the others, and a "stronger" yellow.

The bottom 2 have a softer contrast and softer yellow and a almost pinkish hue to the white.

The top left seems in shed, so not sure, but I think tends to go more towards the higher contrast?

again, no expert here ;)

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Originally Posted by zina10

I'm definitely not an expert on these genes. But from a quick research I would say there is definitely no way you can rule out "Candino" yet. I've looked at a ton of pictures online, and at that age, they do resemble yours. It seems like the lavender comes in later?

The "high contrast" albinos I've seen had a far more "stark" contrast between white and yellow.

Your babies contrast seems a bit "softer". Also, esp. in the neck area, there seems a pinkish hue to the white. I've noticed those same things in your "group shot".

To be 100% sure you will probably just have to be patient and give it time..

Do you perhaps have a good "side shot" showing the flames on the side really well? I know those shots are harder to get, esp. by yourself. The hatchlings aren't really impressed with that kind of manhandling, lol...

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Thanks zina. I do see somewhat of a change in coloration but like you say, have to be patient to see. Thx. Gonna take new pics in natural daylight soon.

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Originally Posted by zina10

Unless its the lighting, I still say the bottom 2 are different then the top 2. At least the top right seems to have a sharper contrast then the others, and a "stronger" yellow.

The bottom 2 have a softer contrast and softer yellow and a almost pinkish hue to the white.

The top left seems in shed, so not sure, but I think tends to go more towards the higher contrast?

again, no expert here ;)

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Dang you have good eyes. Please take a look at my mystery bunch and tell me what you see.
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...251107-Phantom