Help. I have a rescue but unsure on the genetics.

I got a beautiful female a few weeks ago as a rescue. The person said it was a caramel but i think he's completely wrong. I think it's a lesser or a butter but cant tell the difference.

Pics would help

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Originally Posted by Pezz

I got a beautiful female a few weeks ago as a rescue. The person said it was a caramel but i think he's completely wrong. I think it's a lesser or a butter but cant tell the difference.

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Pictures would be useful


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Pics would help to see if you're right but butter and lesser are the same [emoji14] There is no difference

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I'm pretty new here and don't know how to upload pictures. She's really beautiful and I'd love to show her.

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I was leaning towards butter from the first pic but the second and third picture look like a different snake. Lol. I am going to go with caramel though. Nice rescue. :D

Really nice pattern and color both. Healthy looking too, nice catch.

Very nice find. You're half way to making some bels


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I'd say Caramel ! Very beautiful :)

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Originally Posted by zina10

I'd say Caramel ! Very beautiful :)

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The issue with it being caramel is that she doesn't have albino eyes.

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Butter or Lesser same thing different lines.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Butter or Lesser same thing different lines.

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Thanks

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Originally Posted by Python23

Very nice find. You're half way to making some bels


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Originally Posted by Pezz

The issue with it being caramel is that she doesn't have albino eyes.

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Well, the pictures aren't very clear. All the caramels I've seen didn't have the really red/pink eyes of the normal Albinos, or at least they didn't appear so at first look? Even on pictures its hard to tell.

OP, are the eye lenses reddish ? Close up of eye?

Here are two caramels for example..notice the eyes.

http://photos.imageevent.com/morgens...all-python.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/morgens....1280.1280.jpg

And here is a video of one...can't see the eyes until about 2 minutes 40 seconds into it ...lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmHBJx_JPCU


I have a Pastel Lesser female at home and also a hatchling. Colors just look different to me (not just because of the added pastel)

She's just fed so i don't want to bug her for pictures. I did shine a light in them and saw no red or pink. She has greenish gray eyes.

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Originally Posted by Pezz

She's just fed so i don't want to bug her for pictures. I did shine a light in them and saw no red or pink. She has greenish gray eyes.

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I guess she could be Lesser/Butter then..
;)

Was the animal is shed in the first pic? Bc the second and third photos seem to show a much more defined coloration and patterning. Maybe the lighting and the focus on the closeup. OK. :cool:

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Originally Posted by Albert Clark

Was the animal is shed in the first pic? Bc the second and third photos seem to show a much more defined coloration and patterning. Maybe the lighting and the focus on the closeup. OK. :cool:

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Different lighting. The first was under flourescent the other ones were incandescent lighting.

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Like others have said, in the first photo the washed out color looks lesser/butter but in the other two photos (which I assume are closer to actual colors) it does look caramel.

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Originally Posted by AbsoluteApril

Like others have said, in the first photo the washed out color looks lesser/butter but in the other two photos (which I assume are closer to actual colors) it does look caramel.

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Actually the first is closer to her colors. The less lighting and shadows in the 2nd and 3rd exaggerated the darker paterning. She's so light that at first i suspected she had ghost. I've been able to rule that out after a shed, and as I've said to others I've thoroughly examined her eyes and they have no signs of albinoism ruling out a caramel. The possibility of an ultramel still exists.

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Personally I would not breed that snake unless you know for sure what the genetics are. You may figure out it's recessive or co-dom by breeding but you wont really know if it's caramel, ultramel, a new type of morph, etc... you may mislead people that buy the babies. I'm guessing that's why big breeders can get a better price for their snakes, the genetics are guaranteed, they don't mess around with breeding snakes with unknown genetics and then guessing. Probably why it was passed on as a 'rescue'. I'd start with the person you got it from, ask them where they got it from and trace it back, see if you can track it down. If it came from a big chain pet store you may be able to find the breeder that sells to them and ask the breeder. That's a good looking snake though, and a great size for breeding!

This animal is a Lesser (or Butter, no difference other than the name). There is absolutely no doubt.

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Personally I would not breed that snake unless you know for sure what the genetics are. You may figure out it's recessive or co-dom by breeding but you wont really know if it's caramel, ultramel, a new type of morph, etc... you may mislead people that buy the babies. I'm guessing that's why big breeders can get a better price for their snakes, the genetics are guaranteed, they don't mess around with breeding snakes with unknown genetics and then guessing. Probably why it was passed on as a 'rescue'. I'd start with the person you got it from, ask them where they got it from and trace it back, see if you can track it down. If it came from a big chain pet store you may be able to find the breeder that sells to them and ask the breeder. That's a good looking snake though, and a great size for breeding!

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Was a rescue because her original owner lost their house to the wildfires that rocked B.C this year. That's why i am unable to get a hold of him to trace the line.

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Originally Posted by Pezz

Actually the first is closer to her colors. The less lighting and shadows in the 2nd and 3rd exaggerated the darker paterning.

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Ahh okay then yes, lesser/butter

Quick update. Got hold of the original owner traced her back to the breeder Marcus Jayne. She's a lesser from the Ralph Davis line.

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I agree with caramel. Very beautiful!

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Originally Posted by Chinnamasta

I agree with caramel. Very beautiful!

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Tracked her back to the breeder. She's a lesser from the Ralph Davis line.

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