New Addition. Russo White Diamond (BEL)

Such a tiny thing. Soiled her enclosure & took 2 Fuzzies like nothing. So happy she is Healthy. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...2bf9219159.jpg


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Very nice!!!!

Just gorgeous !!

Who doesn't like white diamonds :)

Awesome addition!!!! Glad to see you on the forum, hope you had a great summer with work, hope to see some updates on your collection too!!

Pretty girl!

Amazing choice in a Russo! :gj:

Such a gorgeous snake.

Nice pickup Sully!

very pretty. she's looks like a cool lil explorer and climber. :) congrats!

UPDATE ON GRACE: She has a great disposition, wants to eat every 48 hrs ( I do once a week feedings) and shes healthy... The problem I do have is that I told Vin when I got her there was a pattern on her Back. He assured me they all do and grow out of it after a couple months. That didn't sound right to me but Vin has great business ethics and everyone I know who has dealt with him loves him and his Snakes.. With that said the pattern has gotten worse so i emailed him. His response was "it would be cool to breed her and see what you might get, looks like a new morph". Well If I wasn't a man who loved Pets and I was a Breeder i would be pissed. I love her now so i wont sell/exchange/trade her but I must say since Im not buying anymore snakes I wanted this White Diamond to be what they are know for.. I could have spent 1/2 as much and gotten another Albino If i wanted white with orange again :/ (Pics to follow)


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Here she is in the Tub taking a swim.
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The second PIC I had to darken or you couldn't see her with the white tub background, the pattern is orange and not brownish as it looks in the 2nd photo.


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Originally Posted by Mr Sully

UPDATE ON GRACE: She has a great disposition, wants to eat every 48 hrs ( I do once a week feedings) and shes healthy... The problem I do have is that I told Vin when I got her there was a pattern on her Back. He assured me they all do and grow out of it after a couple months. That didn't sound right to me but Vin has great business ethics and everyone I know who has dealt with him loves him and his Snakes.. With that said the pattern has gotten worse so i emailed him. His response was "it would be cool to breed her and see what you might get, looks like a new morph". Well If I wasn't a man who loved Pets and I was a Breeder i would be pissed. I love her now so i wont sell/exchange/trade her but I must say since Im not buying anymore snakes I wanted this White Diamond to be what they are know for.. I could have spent 1/2 as much and gotten another Albino If i wanted white with orange again :/ (Pics to follow)


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Well, that doesn't sound right to me.

I know you love her now, and want to keep her, but I wish the breeder would have given you a better response then this.

That said, she IS beautiful. You should have gotten what you paid for, though..

Glad she is doing ok for you. :)

Oh man. She is gorgeous, if it's any consolation. But definitely not pure white, as one would expect.

I got intrigued so I googled some Russo White Diamonds..

Most pictures I come up with do show a colored stripe or splotches along the back. However, there seems to be less color on them, then on yours..

You would have to make some better pictures on a dark back ground with some good light (no flash though or over bright).

This adult White Diamond has color, too

http://nicebalz.com/image/data/collectionsnake11.jpg

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Originally Posted by zina10

I got intrigued so I googled some Russo White Diamonds..

Most pictures I come up with do show a colored stripe or splotches along the back. However, there seems to be less color on them, then on yours..

You would have to make some better pictures on a dark back ground with some good light (no flash though or over bright).

This adult White Diamond has color, too

http://nicebalz.com/image/data/collectionsnake11.jpg

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Yes I've seen a lot of pictures like that. I was told a lot of breeders are breeding Russo White diamonds now. Vins words I have from our emails are "My White Diamonds speak for themselves".... So I expected what the parents were. (PIC Below) These are the eggs from the clutch I got her from. Well I'm a sucker for a sweetheart and i believe things happen for a reason so my girl is now mine for as long as were here.. As a top breeder though I think he should have offered me something. Hopefully something happens with the pattern as now she looks like a white snake with a mess on her back hahahaha. My high Contrast Albino from Brian Sharp was only $250. But like i said, i love her, she is docile, inquisitive and a great eater.

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A couple things come to my mind when I look at the "parents" picture..

These pictures are taken in BRIGHT light and look a bit over exposed. Which could have washed out a faint pattern.

On top of that, aside from the neck, you don't see any of the back or spine on that animal..

Actually, if you look close in the upper right corner of the first pic, you do notice a "off" color along the spine, a peachy looking stripe.

In regular light his animals probably do show that pattern. Most likely "lighter" then in your animal, but I bet its there. Simply because most of the pictures I find of this morph shows that pattern, too.

On yours you can almost see "faint" alien heads on the upper sides and a head marking, could she possibly be something "close" but not quite the White Diamond?

Remember, I don't know much about them at all..


Again, all that aside, she is gorgeous !!! And if she is friendly , healthy and a good eater on top of that, you have a wonderful snake.

But I understand the frustration with the breeder and his reply..

oops, double post..

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Originally Posted by zina10

A couple things come to my mind when I look at the "parents" picture..

These pictures are taken in BRIGHT light and look a bit over exposed. Which could have washed out a faint pattern.

On top of that, aside from the neck, you don't see any of the back or spine on that animal..

Actually, if you look close in the upper right corner of the first pic, you do notice a "off" color along the spine, a peachy looking stripe.

In regular light his animals probably do show that pattern. Most likely "lighter" then in your animal, but I bet its there. Simply because most of the pictures I find of this morph shows that pattern, too.

On yours you can almost see "faint" alien heads on the upper sides and a head marking, could she possibly be something "close" but not quite the White Diamond?

Remember, I don't know much about them at all..


Again, all that aside, she is gorgeous !!! And if she is friendly , healthy and a good eater on top of that, you have a wonderful snake.

But I understand the frustration with the breeder and his reply..

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Your guess would be as good as mine if she is something else or not but with Vins 35 year reputation i doubt that. As with any animals, people (my breeder Rats included) different genes, colors, patterns can come out I guess.. Im a good 10 generations deep into my ASF's and i can get a tottaly different pattern/color ect out of a litter.
But anyways, she is a cool little girl :)

she looks kinda like a Pastel Champagne. what exactly was the pairing that produced her. the dam is a White Diamond, what was the sire - a Russo something? i would get her under a black light. maybe u will discover some cool patterns.

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Originally Posted by zina10

I got intrigued so I googled some Russo White Diamonds..

Most pictures I come up with do show a colored stripe or splotches along the back. However, there seems to be less color on them, then on yours..

You would have to make some better pictures on a dark back ground with some good light (no flash though or over bright).

This adult White Diamond has color, too

http://nicebalz.com/image/data/collectionsnake11.jpg

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the "White Diamond" in that pix also has a buggy left eye. i wonder how common that might be. although this is a small sample, but this discussion is leading me to believe the White Diamond's rep as the purest white snake ain't really all that (unless there's something else at play and they aren't pure Super Russo's (White Diamond) ).

Edit: i hope Hannah, our resident BEL-complex superfan, will find this thread and chime in.

I have pair of med/high white pieds and love them. I also wanted a full white snake and thought of a white diamond.
Like you, I want a full bright white and would be very disappointed to see any pattern and or color show up.
Is there a 100% bright white adult that doesn't cost an arm and a leg?

This hurts my feelings because...well, because she’s not mine

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she looks kinda like a Pastel Champagne. what exactly was the pairing that produced her. the dam is a White Diamond, what was the sire - a Russo something? i would get her under a black light. maybe u will discover some cool patterns.



the "White Diamond" in that pix also has a buggy left eye. i wonder how common that might be. although this is a small sample, but this discussion is leading me to believe the White Diamond's rep as the purest white snake ain't really all that (unless there's something else at play and they aren't pure Super Russo's (White Diamond) ).

Edit: i hope Hannah, our resident BEL-complex superfan, will find this thread and chime in.

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If you mean purest white snake of BPs, maybe. If you mean snakes in general, then no. Check out Princess Diamond Boas aka leucistic boas. They are pure white but also pure cash haha.

And i personally would pissed if i was buying a snake to be pure white and i got one with a peach stripe down its spine. I mean if it eats good etc and you like it, then thats great and it is a good looking snake but like i said. I personally would have let Vin know that you were rather disappointed and was buying the snake based on them supposedly being a pure white, not a white with a peach spine stripe.

Yeah I see the faint hint of yellow stripe on that momma as well. I'm sorry your baby didn't turn out as you were led to believe she would, she's still a gorgeous girl though!

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If you mean snakes in general, then no. Check out Princess Diamond Boas aka leucistic boas. They are pure white but also pure cash haha.

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They are also not supposed to be in this country which is why breeders tried to rename it 'fire' to hide the PD offspring from being exported back to Brazil (they are BA (BCa) and BI (BCi) crosses) and IMO I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole even if I had $$ to burn. just some info for ya
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Originally Posted by Ax01

she looks kinda like a Pastel Champagne. what exactly was the pairing that produced her. the dam is a White Diamond, what was the sire - a Russo something? i would get her under a black light. maybe u will discover some cool patterns.



the "White Diamond" in that pix also has a buggy left eye. i wonder how common that might be. although this is a small sample, but this discussion is leading me to believe the White Diamond's rep as the purest white snake ain't really all that (unless there's something else at play and they aren't pure Super Russo's (White Diamond) ).

Edit: i hope Hannah, our resident BEL-complex superfan, will find this thread and chime in.

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Your right I see that Bug Eye in Zina's pic and that is known from getting BEL from pairing a different Morph than Super Russo's I have heard..( also a characteristic I've read in some of the Black Eyed Lucy's) Thats why I don't trust pics online..anyone can advertise a white-ish snake as whatever.. Vin says he pairs WD to WD.. I mean why wouldn't he, he was the first in 2001 to get this snake and is known for his Super Russo's. She is my pet so Im not going to try and do anything about it but as Sauzo said Im a good bit upset about the whole deal and the fact that I told him she wasn't right from the day I got her.. Im not someone who see's something and just buys it... I wait, look into it, learn ect... And now I feel like I got taken and I went with Vin because I know he is a honest business man not a fly by night ... But thats the end of my complaining.. We will all see what she grows into and I couldn't be happier with her disposition and health and thats most important to me.


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Originally Posted by Sauzo

If you mean purest white snake of BPs, maybe. If you mean snakes in general, then no. Check out Princess Diamond Boas aka leucistic boas. They are pure white but also pure cash haha.

And i personally would pissed if i was buying a snake to be pure white and i got one with a peach stripe down its spine. I mean if it eats good etc and you like it, then thats great and it is a good looking snake but like i said. I personally would have let Vin know that you were rather disappointed and was buying the snake based on them supposedly being a pure white, not a white with a peach spine stripe.

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Yup I did just that Sauzo.. The day I got her I emailed him and asked about the markings. He said "they are all born like that but she will be pure white".
Thats his exact words in the email i have.
So yup I'm angry. Good thing she is a cutie hahahahaha


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Yeah I see the faint hint of yellow stripe on that momma as well. I'm sorry your baby didn't turn out as you were led to believe she would, she's still a gorgeous girl though!



They are also not supposed to be in this country which is why breeders tried to rename it 'fire' to hide the PD offspring from being exported back to Brazil (they are BA (BCa) and BI (BCi) crosses) and IMO I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole even if I had $$ to burn. just some info for ya
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Oh i know but they are still awesome. And heck, i know Jeremy Stone did a bad thing but heck, look at some of the stuff Tom Crutchfield did with bringing in stuff lol. Not condoning it but i would be pretty hard pressed to not get one if i had the cash lol.

yeah, it's hard to let go of your pets even if they are no the prettiest. you raised them and you've bonded. it's the same reason i have my 0.1 Normal.

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

If you mean purest white snake of BPs, maybe. If you mean snakes in general, then no. Check out Princess Diamond Boas aka leucistic boas. They are pure white but also pure cash haha.

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oh i know about some white snakes. i own a pair of hard to find vibrant all white snakes - one w/ red eyes and another w/ black eyes w/ red pupils.
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...om/WfgrK4j.jpg
i also have a paradox Leucistic.

i simply think the Super Russo/White Diamond doesn't hold up to it's reputation w/ the examples provided in this discussion, esp from the OG breeder himself.

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yeah, it's hard to let go of your pets even if they are no the prettiest. you raised them and you've bonded. it's the same reason i have my 0.1 Normal.

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kinda along the same lines as to what happened with my cat, found her as a stray when she was 4-5 months old took her to the vet and she had feline leukemia. now shes missing 50% of her fur but otherwise is perfectly healthy and i still love her to death



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Originally Posted by Ax01

yeah, it's hard to let go of your pets even if they are no the prettiest. you raised them and you've bonded. it's the same reason i have my 0.1 Normal.



oh i know about some white snakes. i own a pair of hard to find vibrant all white snakes - one w/ red eyes and another w/ black eyes w/ red pupils.
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...om/WfgrK4j.jpg
i also have a paradox Leucistic.

i simply think the Super Russo/White Diamond doesn't hold up to it's reputation w/ the examples provided in this discussion, esp from the OG breeder himself.

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I agree.. His statement to me about them being the cleanest and speaking for themselves is False!
... And wow you have gorgeous snakes!!!!!!!! THAT is what I was looking for as far as a clean Color [emoji1360][emoji1360][emoji1360][emoji1360]


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I have yet to see a SuperRusso that did not develop a dorsal stripe. I will go one further and say I have witnessed the presence of a dorsal stripe in every super form of BluEL but the frequency and visibility of it is less likely with the strongest alleles in the group (e.g., Lesser, Butter, and possibly Bamboo) but the trade off is that the supers in the stronger alleles tend toward bug-eye

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Originally Posted by Ax01

she looks kinda like a Pastel Champagne. what exactly was the pairing that produced her. the dam is a White Diamond, what was the sire - a Russo something? i would get her under a black light. maybe u will discover some cool patterns.



the "White Diamond" in that pix also has a buggy left eye. i wonder how common that might be. although this is a small sample, but this discussion is leading me to believe the White Diamond's rep as the purest white snake ain't really all that (unless there's something else at play and they aren't pure Super Russo's (White Diamond) ).

Edit: i hope Hannah, our resident BEL-complex superfan, will find this thread and chime in.

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Im late to the party! Didnt read every reply but will add my 2 cents. I have NEVER seen an all white super russo( im sure some have less striping than others). I honestly dont know why people claim theyre the whitest of white. I think the whole "white diamond" thing puts things in peoples heads. Here are a few pictures of my 2000g girl and she has a noticeable stripe along with pattern under black light. I dont know what that breeder was talking about as far as the stripe lessening when they do the opposite with age.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...08a11265ed.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...13f2492bbc.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b83773d030.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...072891585e.jpg

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And as far as what id say are generally the whitest whites of BPs, my Super Lesser is solid white with no striping under black light and my girl has normal eyes but i won't produce more and risk making them buggy. The other closest to white is this pastel lesser mojave i produced which has just the faintest stripe. Crappy picture but i just pulled them out real quick to take a picture in natural light before our snow storm hits.
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And as far as what id say are generally the whitest whites of BPs, my Super Lesser is solid white with no striping under black light and my girl has normal eyes but i won't produce more and risk making them buggy. The other closest to white is this pastel lesser mojave i produced which has just the faintest stripe. Crappy picture but i just pulled them out real quick to take a picture in natural light before our snow storm hits.
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Hanna thank you for your replies.. Well I'm a Pet guy so I'm now over the fact she isn't pure white..what gets me is what Vin says about them. He sure seems like a great person, but what he told me is all wrong and i have each of his emails where he said it all.. If I was a Hot Head id call him out on it but I just assume enjoy my snakes and learn. I will however tell anyone that wants a pure white snake not to buy a White Diamond thats for sure.


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Hanna thank you for your replies.. Well I'm a Pet guy so I'm now over the fact she isn't pure white..what gets me is what Vin says about them. He sure seems like a great person, but what he told me is all wrong and i have each of his emails where he said it all.. If I was a Hot Head id call him out on it but I just assume enjoy my snakes and learn. I will however tell anyone that wants a pure white snake not to buy a White Diamond thats for sure.


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Oh wow somehow i missed your communication was with Mr Russo himself. Well, I've never heard much but positive about him so all I can think is that maybe its a case of a parents blind eye and all of their babies are the cutest regardless what others see ;)

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Oh wow somehow i missed your communication was with Mr Russo himself. Well, I've never heard much but positive about him so all I can think is that maybe its a case of a parents blind eye and all of their babies are the cutest regardless what others see ;)

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Yup I talked to him for over a year about these.. And then was on the list since fall of 2016. He lives here in NY and has a great reputation and is a nice guy to boot.


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Snuggle https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...970694d15b.jpg

Very beautiful!