White Python

This is a follow-up to an earlier thread I posted almost 2 months ago:
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...st-white-morph

Getting ready to make the "white python" purchase. I saw several balls I'm interested in, seemingly all-white (so it looks like in the pictures), on Morph Market. Out of these gene combos, which are most-likely to be more pure white, and better chance of remaining so:

Lesser x Mojave
Super Fire
Super Lesser
Super Lesser x Mojave
Super Mojave
Super Mojave x Leopard
Super Mojave x 100% Het Ghost
Super Russo x Butter

Thanks.

Examples of my BEL, aka lesser to lesser, super lesser.
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I'm pretty sure the super lesser/butter is the most white out of all of them but they do tend to have bug eyes from time to time. I don't believe it really effects them in a negative way and they grow out of it but I'm not 100% sure

I think lesser/butter with Mojave or Russo are pretty white as well. I do know any super majave though will more likely then not have some purple patterning on them, especially on the head. I'm not sure about super fire

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Originally Posted by Potatoren

Examples of my BEL, aka lesser to lesser, super lesser...

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That is one beautiful snake. Thank you for the pics. Gets me more and more excited about getting mine.

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Originally Posted by Charles8088

That is one beautiful snake. Thank you for the pics. Gets me more and more excited about getting mine.

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I figured it might help in your decision to see. He's a live in action boy. His brother is just as white as he is (sold).

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I just purchased a BEL from Garrick Demeyer from Royal constrictor designs. I wanted a pure what snake. According to Garrick, super lessers or butters are the most consistent all white snake. However, they can have bug eyes. lesser/butter x mojave makes an all white snake as well, and they do not have issues with bug eyes. mojave lessers seem to be the most common BEL from what I found during my search. Based on pictures, I cannot see any differences between most super lessers or mojave lessers tho.

i just wanna throw it out there, but all-white Pieds are the whitest and cleanest. All white Spider Pieds (aka Spieds) and Lesser Pieds for example. they're harder to come by tho.

here's my girl Ruby:

as a baby
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...om/TBxXZE9.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...om/NEmr6et.jpg

getting big
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...om/pKFd02s.jpg

much bigger and still a vibrant all white BP!
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...om/61S0YdB.jpg

:)

Those all-white pies are nice too, yes. Like you said though, seems harder to find. And, I assume if I do find 'em they'll cost a bit more too.

Actually... I'm seeing quite a few of the white weddings. Just cost more, and so far can only find male. I prefer a female.

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Originally Posted by Charles8088

This is a follow-up to an earlier thread I posted almost 2 months ago:
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...st-white-morph

Getting ready to make the "white python" purchase. I saw several balls I'm interested in, seemingly all-white (so it looks like in the pictures), on Morph Market. Out of these gene combos, which are most-likely to be more pure white, and better chance of remaining so:

Lesser x Mojave
Super Fire
Super Lesser
Super Lesser x Mojave
Super Mojave
Super Mojave x Leopard
Super Mojave x 100% Het Ghost
Super Russo x Butter

Thanks.

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Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the ones in bold cannot possible exist - if someone tries to sell you those run far and run fast.

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Originally Posted by Charles8088

This is a follow-up to an earlier thread I posted almost 2 months ago:
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...st-white-morph

Getting ready to make the "white python" purchase. I saw several balls I'm interested in, seemingly all-white (so it looks like in the pictures), on Morph Market. Out of these gene combos, which are most-likely to be more pure white, and better chance of remaining so:

Lesser x Mojave
Super Fire
Super Lesser
Super Lesser x Mojave
Super Mojave
Super Mojave x Leopard
Super Mojave x 100% Het Ghost
Super Russo x Butter

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by dr del ❤️

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the ones in bold cannot possible exist - if someone tries to sell you those run far and run fast.

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oh u can have A Super Lesser Mojo or Super Russo (White Diamond) x Butter. they would just be all white and have no pattern b/c of the leucism. it would just be hard to tell until u breed/prove it out. it's the same concept as having a Super Pastel Leopard or any other Supers with extra gene(s).

The Super Lesser/Mojave and the Super Russo/Butter were on Morph Market (as were all the others, really). Unfortunately, don't know the sellers, so cannot attest to their accuracy or honesty, even. But, the pics (if true) look nice.

The Super Russo x Butter:
https://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/rep...-pythons/89080

The Super Lesser x Mojave:
https://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/rep...-pythons/90970

And, you know, I haven't researched the sellers yet, but if anyone knows any good or bad stuff about either, please do tell.

Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Charles8088

The Super Russo x Butter:
https://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/rep...-pythons/89080

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Description. Nice female Blue Eyed Lucy available. Has eaten every week for the past 2 months since it's hatch date. Came from a Super Russo x Butter clutch. Message for shipping quotes as well as additional information or pictures. Payments accepted through PayPal friends and family.

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Sounds like a russo butter. Not a super russo butter, right? Also, this is unrelated, but he is asking for payment through friends and family which is extremely sketchy......

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Originally Posted by Ax01

oh u can have A Super Lesser Mojo or Super Russo (White Diamond) x Butter. they would just be all white and have no pattern b/c of the leucism. it would just be hard to tell until u breed/prove it out. it's the same concept as having a Super Pastel Leopard or any other Supers with extra gene(s).

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Ah sorry - I thought they were claiming the animal had two copies of the lesser gene and a copy of the mojo gene - putting it as a mojo lesser bel seemed the logical way to name it to me. :oops:

You can only have two genes on a pair and lesser and mojo being allelic rules out what I thought he was describing. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by MmmBanana

...Also, this is unrelated, but he is asking for payment through friends and family which is extremely sketchy......

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Thanks for the heads up. Yea, based on how he's advertising and how he answered an inquiry I had on the snake, it looks like he might just be be starting out. And, I myself am fairly new, and never heard of the seller.

I would never pay Friends & Family. There are several other snakes I am looking at as well, but if I go with this girl I would ask the seller to not use Friends & Family, and even offer to pay the paypal fee if that was his main concern.

Having compared them over the past few years I still contend that, as adults, a pure white BlkEL is cleaner than any of the BluELs. Every adult of the latter that I have seen has always had a very slight yellow tint to it, making them look more cream-coloured than white.

And, as was noted, the all white Pied variants (LesserPied, BluEL Pied, WhiteWedding, etc.) also tend to stay shock white

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Originally Posted by Charles8088

Thanks for the heads up. Yea, based on how he's advertising and how he answered an inquiry I had on the snake, it looks like he might just be be starting out. And, I myself am fairly new, and never heard of the seller.

I would never pay Friends & Family. There are several other snakes I am looking at as well, but if I go with this girl I would ask the seller to not use Friends & Family, and even offer to pay the paypal fee if that was his main concern.

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There are plenty of reputable breeders producing the snakes you're interested in. I would look at the friends and family thing as a HUGE red flag and cross that snake off your list. You'll find what you're looking for elsewhere with no problem, why risk it? You're going to have this animal 25+ years, not worth taking a chance on a sketchy situation.

Final thoughts?

I've pinned it down to these two. DISCLAIMER: These are not my photos.

The first is a Super Mojave by Dynasty Reptiles listed on Morph Market.

The second is a Mojave Russo x Pastel Lesser from Wenjun Li (aka Riplee) listed on Facebook.

I know pictures are not always accurate, so opinions and thoughts based on the genes are welcomed.

I don't mind the little grey on the head (looks cool actually). Which do you folks think is more likely to stay white?


https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...1mab/bel_2.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...q18w/bel_1.jpg

Absolutely stunning!! Love the "whites"....

i love super mojaves :) the grey on the head gives them a nice contrast. Also i got my pastel enchi banana from Dynasty Reptiles, hes got really nice quality bps :)
Bels are so stunning in person, pics dont do them justice. like my 2 black eyed lucys and my bel hatchlings are jaw droppers in person ^.^

Thank you everyone!

This is the girl I finally chose. Should have her next week.

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach.../eMuFkb/bp.jpg

Congratulations! We both made new snake decisions today. Haha

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Originally Posted by Roux

Congratulations! We both made new snake decisions today. Haha

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Nice, congrats. I just saw, you got the Spider. Good luck with her (I think it was a her, right?). She looks beautiful.

Yes indeed! Thank you.
Good luck with your new bel as well, i know you'll have a blast.

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