Firefly? Superfly?

Hello! I bought this snake awhile ago listed as a firefly when I first started caring for ball pythons but upon further research I'm wondering if she's a Superfly. I bred her this year and hatched my first clutch of 6 babies (I'm super excited) I was wondering if someone could tell me what morph she is and what morphs the babies are? (If she's a Superfly then do I have 5 fireflies and one Pastel?)

This is the mom, listed as a firefly
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...2a886d1aad.jpg

And the dad listed as a normal

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d4b84f5951.jpg

And these are the babies

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d90d855fa1.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...3d7f5408fb.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d2d80b7334.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...7e86ad4cb6.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...da69e078b4.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...e63f4ecac0.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...556e848483.jpg

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks


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Originally Posted by KingKongShlong

Hello! I bought this snake awhile ago listed as a firefly when I first started caring for ball pythons but upon further research I'm wondering if she's a Superfly. I bred her this year and hatched my first clutch of 6 babies (I'm super excited) I was wondering if someone could tell me what morph she is and what morphs the babies are? (If she's a Superfly then do I have 5 fireflies and one Pastel?)


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...556e848483.jpg

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks


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This baby is either a light normal or a low expression fire. Either way there is no Pastel present which means your female is a Firefly. If she were a super fly, every baby would have Pastel present. All of the rest of the babies appear to be Pastel. Congrats on the clutch!

I see 4 firefly babies and 1 normal baby. I'm testing if I got this right...lol

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Originally Posted by Sunnieskys

I see 4 firefly babies and 1 normal baby. I'm testing if I got this right...lol

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I don't agree lol, I see all pastel and one possible fire or normal. I think they would be brighter if they were firefly but if these pics are pre shed then I guess it's possible, I need post shed pics to verify haha.

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Originally Posted by rlditmars

This baby is either a light normal or a low expression fire. Either way there is no Pastel present which means your female is a Firefly. If she were a super fly, every baby would have Pastel present. All of the rest of the babies appear to be Pastel. Congrats on the clutch!

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Thanks! I kinda figured that the one babies wasn't a pastel, but then how could I tell if any of the others are fireflies? All but the one have light grey colouration on the back of their heads too.


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Originally Posted by rufretic

I don't agree lol, I see all pastel and one possible fire or normal. I think they would be brighter if they were firefly but if these pics are pre shed then I guess it's possible, I need post shed pics to verify haha.

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These pics are post shed, there's also potential of the mom to have Orange Dream in her, but I figured she would be more orangey if that was true


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Wouldn't pastels have more blushing on their heads?

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Originally Posted by Sunnieskys

Wouldn't pastels have more blushing on their heads?

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You do know that firefly is just pastel and fire right? So either way they should have some blushing on the head but fireflys tend to be a lot lighter than these, that's why I think just pastel.

after looking again, they really don't have much blushing at all, now you got me confused lol.

I did not know that lol.

Im glad we are both confused now. Their sides are lighter which is why I'm thinking firefly but their heads don't have blushing so not straight pastels. I see one normal like papa.

wait so maybe four fires and one pastel?

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Originally Posted by rufretic

You do know that firefly is just pastel and fire right? So either way they should have some blushing on the head but fireflys tend to be a lot lighter than these, that's why I think just pastel.

after looking again, they really don't have much blushing at all, now you got me confused lol.

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What are you two referring to with head blushing?


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Originally Posted by KingKongShlong

What are you two referring to with head blushing?


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Look at your firefly females head, see how it fades out? That is what's referred to as head blushing.

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Originally Posted by rufretic

Look at your firefly females head, see how it fades out? That is what's referred to as head blushing.

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I think you see blushing of the head and body more in super pastel than pastel. The mother has so much blushing she fooled me into thinking she was a superfly.

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Originally Posted by rufretic

Look at your firefly females head, see how it fades out? That is what's referred to as head blushing.

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Ohh. Okay well the 5 babies that look similar do have head blushing, it just didn't get picked up very well by the camera. Like by the back of their heads, it fades to a light grey colour

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Originally Posted by Albert Clark

I think you see blushing of the head and body more in super pastel than pastel. The mother has so much blushing she fooled me into thinking she was a superfly.

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Yeah, that's why I thought she was a Superfly, because I haven't seen any fireflies that have that much blushing.

I see 5 pastel and 1 possible fire or normal.