Mojave = Blue Eyed Leucistics

Correct me if im wrong. Isnt Blue Eyed Leucistics the results of breeding Lesser Platties and not Mojaves ?

they both produce blue eyed white snakes, the mojave's have a faint pattern and are just a tad less white. the lesser are brighter and no pattern. adam can tell you more, he's spent alot more time comparing every white morph side by side.


vaughn

What is the more desireable trait? The blue eyed lucy's or the black eyed ones? I guess this would just be a personal preference, but what's the market demand like?

ha ha....anything ball python is in high demand :D It is just personal preference and price range :)

Ahhh .. never knew mojave could produce leucistics. Reason i asked cause i saw and ad selling a pair of mojaves. Seller was saying that it will produce leucistics.

yes they do produce a leuistic though they are not as pretty as the lesser lucy they are still very pretty and thats one of the reason i bought the mojave that i have.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by gncz73

yes they do produce a leuistic though they are not as pretty as the lesser lucy they are still very pretty and thats one of the reason i bought the mojave that i have.

---

I was surprised by how much pattern I saw on the Super Mojaves in Daytona. It's subtle enough that the camera doesn't pick it up in pictures, but visible to the naked eye. Beautiful snakes for sure, but in my opinion for now lessers are definitely the way to go if you're looking for an all white snake.

-adam

What makes the black eyed leucistic? At first I liked the blue-eyed ones, but after seeing the black eyes with the red pupil, I changed my mind.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by xdeus

What makes the black eyed leucistic? At first I liked the blue-eyed ones, but after seeing the black eyes with the red pupil, I changed my mind.

---

The "Fire Ball Python" from what I've read. You can read a lot of other info on them here :
http://www.constrictors.com/Collecti...allPython.html

I don't know which snake I like more, and haven't talked to anyone at constrictors.com, but I know that Adam's about the nicest guy I've met and knows tons of info, so I'll probably be purchasing from him!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by xdeus

What makes the black eyed leucistic? At first I liked the blue-eyed ones, but after seeing the black eyes with the red pupil, I changed my mind.

---

Red pupil ... HA!! .. :D ... Each time I've held a black eyed lucy I've looked for the red eye and only saw it once ... Seems to show up in pictures all the time, but you have to catch just the right angle to see it in person ... I've seen it on blue eyed lucy's too in the right light! .... Smells like marketing to me.

Be careful what you believe, everyone has an agenda to sell their snakes. Even me!! ... Do lots and lots and lots of research before you invest, buy what you love, and you can't go wrong!

-adam

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ddbjdealer

I don't know which snake I like more, and haven't talked to anyone at constrictors.com, but I know that Adam's about the nicest guy I've met and knows tons of info, so I'll probably be purchasing from him!

---

Okay Adam, how much did you pay Ken to say these things? ;) I agree, though. Adam is the man. Now when can I get my Fireballs?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by xdeus

Okay Adam, how much did you pay Ken to say these things? ;) I agree, though. Adam is the man. Now when can I get my Fireballs?

---

I'm not the guy for fires ... I like my lucy's to be all white!!! :D

-adam

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Red pupil ... HA!! .. :D ... Each time I've held a black eyed lucy I've looked for the red eye and only saw it once ... Seems to show up in pictures all the time, but you have to catch just the right angle to see it in person ... I've seen it on blue eyed lucy's too in the right light! .... Smells like marketing to me.

Be careful what you believe, everyone has an agenda to sell their snakes. Even me!! ... Do lots and lots and lots of research before you invest, buy what you love, and you can't go wrong!

-adam

---

Hmm... I was wondering about the red pupil, but it seemed to show up on every picture that gets posted. So are you saying it's like the red eyes that show up in people with direct flashes? Bummer. BTW, are the leucistic genes for the different hets completely different? What would one get if they mixed two blue-eyed snakes from a mojave and a lesser or a blue-eyed and a black-eyed leucistic? I guess the only way to find out is for someone to actually breed them.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

I'm not the guy for fires ... I like my lucy's to be all white!!! :D

-adam

---

I think he was talking about what I said AFTER the link to the other site. (Mainly just showing that I wasn't really trying to promote the other site, as I would always refer you just from the impression that I have with "dealing" with you through email.) :)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by xdeus

Hmm... I was wondering about the red pupil, but it seemed to show up on every picture that gets posted. So are you saying it's like the red eyes that show up in people with direct flashes? Bummer. BTW, are the leucistic genes for the different hets completely different? What would one get if they mixed two blue-eyed snakes from a mojave and a lesser or a blue-eyed and a black-eyed leucistic? I guess the only way to find out is for someone to actually breed them.

---

Well, I think that there is probably some element of red in the eye that is visible under strong lighting, but when you're in a normally lit room, you'd be hard pressed to see any red in the eyeball. At least that's been the case with the black eyed lucies that I've seen in person.

Mojave x Lesser breedings do make lucy's, but they have a yellow spinal stripe and yellow smudges behind the eyes ... Time will tell what a Mojave x Lesser lucy crossed with a Lesser x Lesser lucy will do. At this time, I don't think that there are many people that believe a black eyed lucy will be compatible with blue eyed lucy, but again .... time will tell.

-adam

I really do like the Blue eyed lucys. So which is the most effective pair for a Blue Eyed Lucy?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by HelicopterPilot

I really do like the Blue eyed lucys. So which is the most effective pair for a Blue Eyed Lucy?

---

Lessers and Platties produce the cleanest (ie. whitest) blue eyed lucys to date.

-adam

Hmm I think I know what Morphs I will be getting when I have the chance

Vin Russo also has a line of lucy's doesn't he?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by lilroach56

Vin Russo also has a line of lucy's doesn't he?

---

He sure does! ... They're called Lemon somethings I think? The Lucy on Vins table in Daytona has similar yellow markings to the mojave x lesser and phantom x lesser cross, although Greg Graziani produced a lemon x mojave lucy this year that has a little less yellow. I'm excited to see what Vin's line of Lucy does when crossed with a Lesser ... should be much hotter than the mojave cross!

-adam

Adam, you said you like your Leucistics to be all white... are the Fireball/Black Eyed Leucistics not all white? I know the Mojave and Phantom lines aren't pure white, and I know the Platinum line IS pure white. How would you describe the Fireball line?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by bait4snake

Adam, you said you like your Leucistics to be all white... are the Fireball/Black Eyed Leucistics not all white? I know the Mojave and Phantom lines aren't pure white, and I know the Platinum line IS pure white. How would you describe the Fireball line?

---

The two fireball lucy's that I have seen in person both have various sized orange "blotches" randomly on their bodies. I have also seen pictures of fireball lucy's or lucy (not sure if it was all one animal or several) in England that have the orange blotches as well as black "specs" around the orange blotches.

At this point it is unclear to me whether or not a fireball lucy can be produced that is solid white, but even if the orange blotches appear in random offspring, personally I would be uncomfortable spending that kind of money on the hets and not knowing if I'd actually be able to produce a solid white snake???

I know that the founder of the black eyed lucy's (Eric Davies aka HerpQuest) occasionally reads and posts on here and he would certainly be able the complete scoop on the project.

-adam

Oh, the orange blotches... I remember seeing those on the Leucistic that Rick Page hatched (on display on VPI's page).
http://www.vpi.com/4VPIInventory/Gal...allGallery.htm

Good to know that about the Fireballs.