Best Looking Morphs As Adults?

Hello all,

I am curious about your opinion on what morphs look best as adults.. Which age the best in terms of color, contrast, etc.? I know that this can vary a lot with selective breeding and personal taste, but want your opinion on morphs and combos in general. Of my BPs, I have found that my single gene cinnamon has aged the best...retaining clean whites and crisp pattern / darks. My BPs that are pastels, have tended to brown / fade over time.

Please offer any opinion you have on the subject and if you happen to have any pics of adults that are your favorites, that would be great as well.

I will post a picture of my female cinnamon and pastave below. This photo was taken in full sunlight and the pastave has since browned out a good bit, but the cinnamon has retained her contrast and colors.
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t...0grass%202.jpg

I like spiders

I've seen some beautiful coral glows and Bananas as adults.:)

I avoid anything spider/axanthic, pretty as babies but in a few years...not so much.

Fire and lesser/butter just get better with age. Banana looses all the pretty purple , but that stays pretty good too, unless you mind all the spots that they develop with age.

The best looking adult BP I ever saw was Brian Gundy's Caramel Glow about 10 years ago (caramel and hypo). Stunning! It's why I like the caramel gene even thought it can have issues. Both caramels and ultramels turn out very nice as adults and don't get the dark muddiness that is common in a lot of BPs. Just my opinion of course

Toffino/Candino

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Originally Posted by Seven-Thirty

Toffino/Candino

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I was hoping this was going to be mentioned :P I have my 1st BP coming next week which is a Toffino!!!!

I like anything with fire or yellowbelly as an adult

Pied all Day They look almost the same as adults as babies And the white is white!

Has to be the old faithful Albino followed closely by a high / medium white Pied !

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Originally Posted by PythonBabes

I avoid anything spider/axanthic, pretty as babies but in a few years...not so much.

Fire and lesser/butter just get better with age. Banana looses all the pretty purple , but that stays pretty good too, unless you mind all the spots that they develop with age.

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Not always. Look at my vpi axanthic he's over 1000g and 3 years old. Tho normally you are correct. But as for my opinion desert ghost and toffino.
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Interesting choices. I have not even looked into the toffinos or caramels / ultramels.

I've been told ghosts (hypo) tend to look very good as adults as well, but have never seen pics of an adult.

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Originally Posted by artgecko

Interesting choices. I have not even looked into the toffinos or caramels / ultramels.

I've been told ghosts (hypo) tend to look very good as adults as well, but have never seen pics of an adult.

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Toffino are hot as adults. Toffee are as well but they go through a full color change. My toffino is as bright today as the day I got him. Save for that his purples went lavenderhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d14c95673c.jpg

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Here's my super pastel lesser male, the first pic was him as a hatchling, the second is him yesterday! His yellows have stayed quite bright, but the black edges on the pattern have dulled just a little to a more yellowy-tan. He's just over 2 years old now!


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I hope this isnt too off topic, but how do BELs age? I have only seen a couple pictures of them as adults and they seem to stay pretty bright white. But I guess 3 or 4 is an awful small sample size.

Here is one of my super mojaves (this one is probably a spider also, have to blacklight it) that hatched this week. See how light the head is compared to an adult? My adults tend to "dirty up" come shed time, so the degree of whiteness is affected by where they are in the shed cycle.

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...1700301_2s.jpg

From my understanding, the super mojaves have those darker spots. Lesser/butter mojaves are usually more white I have been told. I am curious about the pure white BELs.

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Toffino are hot as adults. Toffee are as well but they go through a full color change. My toffino is as bright today as the day I got him. Save for that his purples went lavenderhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d14c95673c.jpg

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Thank you for the pics and info! I'm assuming the Toffee gene is similar to a T+ albino? If so, is the Toffino that crossed with a normal (T-) albino? Very interesting looking snakes for sure and I love that they retain the bright coloration as adults.

Kenthebird- You have a nice looking snake there! he seems to have retained a lot of his brightness. My pastave is only a single gene pastel, which could by why she has dirtyed up as much as she has as an adult.

What are your guys's opinions on Enchis ? I've owned one as a baby and she was pretty but , I've noticed she was only getting brighter and prettier with each shed . But then I ended up selling her , and she wasn't that old . [emoji1418]


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What are your guys's opinions on Enchis ? I've owned one as a baby and she was pretty but , I've noticed she was only getting brighter and prettier with each shed . But then I ended up selling her , and she wasn't that old . [emoji1418]


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Enchi s one that tends to get better with age. And remain nice well into adulthood


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I have a pastel enchi (not a great pastel example, but pretty good on the enchi side). I have noticed that the orange coloration has stayed nice and bright and increased a little with age (she is about 2 now) but the rest of her markings have faded a little / become more muted. Her head has also stayed nice looking/ bright.

Enchi, hypo, and fire/vanilla/disco stuff tend to stay really nice and/or get better with age. Ultramels are also one of my favorites as they tend to keep their rich colors and contrast.

Dark morphs like cinnamon, black pastel, phantom and leopard tend to age pretty well too.

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Originally Posted by Trisnake

Enchi, hypo, and fire/vanilla/disco stuff tend to stay really nice and/or get better with age. Ultramels are also one of my favorites as they tend to keep their rich colors and contrast.

Dark morphs like cinnamon, black pastel, phantom and leopard tend to age pretty well too.

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Imo, this pretty much nailed it other than you forgot one and quite possibly the best and that is desert ghost. My pastel desert ghost girl blows away anything I've seen as far as bright beautiful color and contrast and she is over 2000 grams now, looks as good if not better as the day I got her.

Here is a picture of my Enchi Hypo female. She is 2500 grams and 6 years old. I think she still looks pretty good.

https://s19.postimg.org/ocp80a5yr/20160301_074515.jpg

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Imo, this pretty much nailed it other than you forgot one and quite possibly the best and that is desert ghost. My pastel desert ghost girl blows away anything I've seen as far as bright beautiful color and contrast and she is over 2000 grams now, looks as good if not better as the day I got her.

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I gotta agree with you. I think desert ghost ages better than any other gene in terms of retaining and actually increasing brightness. This is especially apparent when combined with pastel. DG leads to a complete 180 in the aging process of pastels, where instead of browning out they just keep getting more and more yellow.

Here's a quick pic of my Pastel DG male who is almost 1500g and about 4 years old.

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/f...s/IMG_0898.jpg

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Originally Posted by rufretic

Imo, this pretty much nailed it other than you forgot one and quite possibly the best and that is desert ghost.

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Oh, you're right!:P

My mind was so stuck on the more common and generally more affordable stuff that I didn't even think about DG. They definitely are unmatched as far as how they age, except by maybe the Enhancer Ball and the Sahara (though Enhancer has apparently been proven compatible with DG and I wouldn't be surprised if Sahara does too).

Nice looking bps! I love that DG... I have been very interested in that gene and hypo... I'd love to see a combination of those (maybe an enchi DG hypo?).. Although hypo may wash out the contrast too much.

Well first beauty is in the eye of the beholder and it really depends what you like to start with, some people like it dark, some like it bright, some like it busy, reduced.

I have 2 females I am very proud of one is a Pastel YB Pied and she is bright (browning out there) and I have a stunning Banana Clown female., obviously I like things on the bright side.

In general mutations with Hypo, YB, Fire, Desert Ghost and alike will age very well.

Best I've seen is a stunning male BEL (this one was a super lesser). I absolutely adore white snakes. My super fire, Selkie, isn't full grown yet, but she's looking like she will be a beautiful adult!

Black pastel seems to keep great contrast when mixed with albino as the snakes age. Otherwise when albino is the only gene at play the colors seem to fade together over time.

I agree with the "Desert Ghost" camp.

They start beautiful and then they get better :) I'm very excited that more and more breeders are working with them and more combinations are coming out. As someone that likes to keep them as "pets" as well as possibly breeding later on, a Ball Python that actually GETS BETTER as they age really holds a lot of attraction.

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Don't forget Orange Dream, I heard they get brighter with age.

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I agree with the "Desert Ghost" camp.

They start beautiful and then they get better :) I'm very excited that more and more breeders are working with them and more combinations are coming out. As someone that likes to keep them as "pets" as well as possibly breeding later on, a Ball Python that actually GETS BETTER as they age really holds a lot of attraction.

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I agree with you 100% I keep my BPs as pets right now, but purchase females that I would possibly be interested in breeding at some point. To that end, I want to actually enjoy what they look like as adults.

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Don't forget Orange Dream, I heard they get brighter with age.

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I love orange dream but I have to slightly disagree with you. They start out orange and outstanding as babies but most adults I've seen have lost the orange coloration and don't look near as good as they did as babies. Now with that said, orange dream is a great enhancer morph and I absolutely love what it does to pattern and the other morphs you mix it with. The key to having an awesome orange dream adult is to mix it with at least one of the other morphs we discussed here.

Good old boring Albinos are great as adults .


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I think the two best as they age and grow into mature adults are 1) Banana's (and other banana combinations) and 2) BEL's (specifically super lessers)

The bananas because their yellow just gets richer and deeper with time and age (and doesn't fade out or diminish like other morphs. Plus you get the awesome black freckling which becomes more prevalent and visible with time and age - which I love (although not everyone loves the freckling).

The BEL's because they stay stark white and the bigger the pure white snake - the better in my eyes :)

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I think the two best as they age and grow into mature adults are 1) Banana's (and other banana combinations) and 2) BEL's (specifically super lessers)

The bananas because their yellow just gets richer and deeper with time and age (and doesn't fade out or diminish like other morphs. Plus you get the awesome black freckling which becomes more prevalent and visible with time and age - which I love (although not everyone loves the freckling).

The BEL's because they stay stark white and the bigger the pure white snake - the better in my eyes :)

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The bananas are tricky, I agree they can look amazing as adults and I personally like the freckling as well. What I don't care for is how some of them tend to lose the contrast as they age and almost look like a solid yellow snake, which some may like but I prefer the high contrast combos. I'm really looking forward to seeing how some of the banana clown combos age because as babies they are one of my favorites. If we could get a combo to retain those purples and pinks into adulthood I think we'd have a real winner.

You really can't lose with the BELs if you like a white snake and I deffinitly agree the larger they get the more of a presence they have. I was never too into them until I got my ivory girl. She was a full size breeder when I got her and basically just picked her up for breeding purposes but man has she grown on me. There is just something about seeing a large white snake in person that can't be described. They will always make a great adult if you like a white snake and really the only thing that could possibly beat a BEL for a white snake would be a white wedding. I believe they have the brightest white and don't seem to discolor with age at all.