Another shedding thread....

So i noiticed my snakes eyes cloudy. So i knew she was going to shed. I have been spraying the tank down inside 3 times a day to keep the humidity up around 65-75%. And the water bowl is always full. So right before she was going to shed i gave her the first adult mouse she has ever had. She loved it! So i put her in the tank and she goes to the cool hide. well shes been staying in the cool hide and i am afriad she is getting to cool. Thats one of my issues is thatmy mail bp follows her every where to ball up together. well the male was cool to the touch so i can imagine the female shedding is too. Now is this a problem being after she just ate and cant digest right b/c of her body temp? also she has started shedding th skin off and i dont know if its suppose to all come off like a tube sock or what? My bp is shedding in many small peieces does that mean i did something wrong? I just remember reading that it should all be in one peiece. Maybe i am freaking my self out. The cool side is around 70-75f and 80 during the hot part of the day. But i dont want her to get a respitory infection. Any advise will help.

dont worry about this shed as long as it all comes off. next time give her short 10 - 15 min baths in warm water. that will help a lot. try and keep them temps up from dropping below 80 and make sure she has a hot hide ( 92 F )and a cool hide ( 82 F ). as for your snake going to the cool side after she ate, well all u can give her is the temperatures she needs and she will go were she wants to go or needs to go. she knows best. good luck

Shedding in pieces, as long as it all comes off, is fine. If it doesn't then I would suggest a humid hide. They're great. Now it sounds like you may have a couple other issues that I think you need to address. The first being housing two snakes together. I would separate them. They are not social animals, and really do not need the added stress. Secondly I agree with new2bp, get those temps up. Around 82 on the cool side and 92 hot side. Fiddle with undertank heaters and heat lamps if you have to but definitely get those temps up. How are you checking temps and humidity?

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Originally Posted by tigerlily

Shedding in pieces, as long as it all comes off, is fine. If it doesn't then I would suggest a humid hide. They're great. Now it sounds like you may have a couple other issues that I think you need to address. The first being housing two snakes together. I would separate them. They are not social animals, and really do not need the added stress. Secondly I agree with new2bp, get those temps up. Around 82 on the cool side and 92 hot side. Fiddle with undertank heaters and heat lamps if you have to but definitely get those temps up. How are you checking temps and humidity?

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There are serveral opinions on the 2 snakes to one enclosure issue you bring up. I read countless books, articles, forums etc. My snakes get along 100% fine. They eat every week and show no aggression or stressed behavior. I am going to leave it at that b/c if you think it doesnt work then thats fine for you, i just have proved it works, as well as 3465777 people in this world. I am checking my temps with laser temp gun and a humididty gage.

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Originally Posted by Salblock

I am going to leave it at that b/c if you think it doesnt work then thats fine for you, i just have proved it works, as well as 3465777 people in this world.

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You took a count? :P

Nobody says that you CAN NOT keep two ball pythons in one enclosure. Keeping multiples is not going to kill the snake...actually you could probably cram 5 bps into one enclosure and they would 'live'. It is just that the majority of people know that it is BETTER to keep ball pythons alone in an enclosure due to the experience of breeders that have been keeping ball pythons for 20+ years. Keeping a single ball python in a single enclosure is the BEST way to keep the animal....it is just that simple. Feel free to keep multiple bps in one enclosure if you like to do things that way and it may suit you just fine and I have no problem with that....just know that you are not provideing the BEST possible housing for your animals.

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Originally Posted by Salblock

So i put her in the tank and she goes to the cool hide. well shes been staying in the cool hide and i am afriad she is getting to cool. Thats one of my issues is thatmy mail bp follows her every where to ball up together.

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The main reason I brought it up is because of your previous statement. It sounds like one snake is trying to dominate the other. I just wanted to give you some advice, it's up to you if you heed it or not. Good luck with your snakes.

This thread has flame~age potential. When discussing this thread, please be cautious to keep the peace and remember that sometimes in life, we have to agree to disagree and leave it at that.


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Gottcha Boss :) I hate flame threads :( Not meaning to offend w/ any of my posts....just typing my opinion...feel free to disagree....I always like a good DISCUSSION :D

:thumbsup: Promise to be on my best behavior! :D Ditto to everything Daniel said! ;)

i'll stay out of this one because i am a newbie lol

There is no dominating issues. Right now the female is shedding and wants her space to the male simply doesnt bother her unless its ok. I dont care if one has had 1 2 3 or 345 years. None of us are snakes, or none of us is the snakes in my enclosure. This leaves me to be the boss (and i love to be). So thank you on your much asked for opinion.

It's always good to listen to advice, and it doesn't mean you have to take it. This is a very friendly forum and we're not trying to slam you or anything. We just wanted to raise the topic in case you were unaware. If that works fine for you and your snakes then that's fine. We just stated what most breeders and those that keep large numbers of snakes do.

You seem to be very defensive for someone who came here asking for advice. You seem convinced that you have everything under control, so good luck with that.


IF you are willing to have an open mind, you might want to check out this thread regarding housing BP's together, then care for your snakes how you choose:

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=23890

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You seem to be very defensive for someone who came here asking for advice. You seem convinced that you have everything under control, so good luck with that.


IF you are willing to have an open mind, you might want to check out this thread regarding housing BP's together, then care for your snakes how you choose:

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=23890

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Thats what i am confused about to, I wrote this thread asking advice about Shedding not housing snakes together. Look at my first post. I could post sites too you know, there are plenty that say you could do it with no problems. so its best if we stop flaming b/c i will win and your right its a friendly forum here. I've spent 3 months reading about ball pythons every day. The only reason why i ask is that my snake has never shedded before.

Alright let's just get back to the shedding issue then. Some snakes just have issues shedding. If it all comes off then there's no problem. I you have retained shed then you have a problem. Get a shoebox size sterilite and fill it with luke warm water. Put snake inside and close up box. Put the entire thing back onto the warm side enclosure (make sure your temps are right!!). Leave 1 hour and then gently wipe off any shed. Be extra gentle around the eyes and head. As for your temperatures, you need to raise them up. UTH's, radiant heat panel, heat lamps .... whatever it takes to get them up. Them make sure to use a thermostat to keep them stable. So there you go. I hope that helps.

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Originally Posted by Salblock

Thats what i am confused about to, I wrote this thread asking advice about Shedding not housing snakes together. Look at my first post. I could post sites too you know, there are plenty that say you could do it with no problems. so its best if we stop flaming b/c i will win and your right its a friendly forum here. I've spent 3 months reading about ball pythons every day. The only reason why i ask is that my snake has never shedded before.

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I don't believe that I flamed you, so you can relax.

With all due respect, if you spent 3 months reading about ball pythons every day, you should know that your temps are incorrect and that the warm side should stay constant at 92-94 degrees and cool side constant at 82-84 degrees.

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Originally Posted by Salblock

Look at my first post. I could post sites too you know, there are plenty that say you could do it with no problems.

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Please post the links! I would love to read proof that ball pythons do much better when kept in the same enclosure :)