please confirm that this is a MALE (warning: somewhat graphic pictures)

am i right in thinking that this is definitely a male?

http://mlededee.com/herps/bps/norahhemi1.jpg

http://mlededee.com/herps/bps/norahhemi2.jpg


this is a 2000 gram snake. why would it be freely everting itself this way and allowing me to evert it with relative ease? it's not really popping that i'm doing here (i don't really even know how to do that)--its more like, i hold up its tail and it kind of just lays out the goods for me.

unfortunately, this is also a snake that i bought as a female several months ago. ( :ohmygod: ) i have been feeding it as many rats as it will take every 6-7 days and wondering why it hasn't been putting on girth. don't get me wrong, it has gained quite a bit as it eats like a pig, but the whole thing made me suspicious. and now this little....um, problem...

Where is Adam when you need him? :rolleyes: Oh yeah he's probably still passed out. :disbelief ;) :lmao:

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Originally Posted by mlededee

i hold up its tail and it kind of just lays out the goods for me.

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LOL, maybe he/she likes you ;) ~ sorry had to put that out there.

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unfortunately, this is also a snake that i bought as a female several months ago. ( :ohmygod: ) i have been feeding it as many rats as it will take every 6-7 days and wondering why it hasn't been putting on girth. don't get me wrong, it has gained quite a bit as it eats like a pig, but the whole thing made me suspicious. and now this little....um, problem..

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I am not really sure 100%, but it looks like a boy to me, however, I could be very wrong. But it does seem odd that he/she would let the goods hang right on out willingly.

ADAM! Calling ADAM!

So, if it is a boy, is there any recourse you can take with a breeder? Or are you out of luck?

If it was sold to you as a female, chances are it probably is. The hemipenis in a male at that size would be WAY larger than that.

Thats my .02 anyway.

My advice is to go have your snake probed by a herp vet. This should answer all your questions (Is it a male/female, and why is it just hanging out, ect ect ect). I'm not by any means an expert but on the males that I have seen their is usually a white piece of skin that is attached to the pink sides showing so I'm guessing that it is a female. Here is also a vet link that may help you determine the sex: http://www.pythons.com/probing.html. I hope this helps

Forrest

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Originally Posted by tigerlily

Where is Adam when you need him?

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Originally Posted by Jeanne

ADAM! Calling ADAM!

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yeah seriously! the one time i have an issue! :P

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LOL, maybe he/she likes you ;) ~ sorry had to put that out there.

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that's a little...disturbing. :eek:


i hope that sass and forrest are right and that it is, in fact, a female. i did some searching online last night and found this which is what really made me think that i might have a male. that is very similar to the way that my snake (norah...norman?) looks when it everts itself. the hemipenis/unidentified bulges do come out a little more than shown in my pics--it's a bit hard to hold the tail and snap the pic at the same time. in any case, we have an appointment scheduled to see the vet first thing monday morning so hopefully that will clear some things up.

as for what i can do if it does turn out to be male, i'm not really sure. i haven't contacted the people i got her from and won't until i know something for sure. i have two other females (i hope) from them as well and have so far been very pleased with them. they seem like really nice people--they do some breeding but i believe that a lot of the adult snakes they sell are ones that they acquire from other pet shops, people that don't want them anymore, etc. i think they would be willing to work with me but since it has been 4-5 months or so since i actually bought this snake i'm not really sure. but no need to worry about that until i find out for sure what the sex is anyhow.

No hemipenes in that picture, but it doesn't mean that they are not there. They are just not hanging out! From those angles it's hard to really see anything. FWIW, hemipenes are dark dark dark red ... much darker than the exposed tissue in the pic.

Lots of ball pythons will just evert all of their "junk" out at you when they're pi$$ed off. It's common.

Sorry I don't have a definite answer.

-adam

well my vet appt. got moved to friday so i still don't have an answer there either. is there any other reason they might evert themselves like that? norah has never seemed angry or upset for any reason (not to say that she never has been, just not that i can tell). she is actually my most outgoing, calm and friendly snake and an extremely easy keeper--always eats, regular poops, regular sheds, pretty much predictable in every way. she is the snake that i take out for people to hold because i trust her not to have any weird moments and strike or get jumpy.

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Lots of ball pythons will just evert all of their "junk" out at you when they're pi$$ed off. It's common.

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:O

Ummm....*cough*...errrrrr...*sputter*....

forget it! I just can't even begin to comment! Great to have you back Adam :worship:


~~Jo~~

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:O
Ummm....*cough*...errrrrr...*sputter*....

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Just bein me. :D ;)

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Great to have you back Adam

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Thanks Jo! ... I'll probably still be gone here and there for the next couple of days, but life should be back to normal by the end of the weekend!

-adam

Well very wierd you started this thread and tonight while I was handling Baby our 6 month old bp (or slightly older) she/he just suddenly everted. I was just stroking down her tail area and out her stuff popped! Then just as suddenly...blink...back it went in!

It looked kinda like your picture...just lil pink thingies (yes Adam that's the scientific term for it :P ) Never seen either of my snakes do this and nothing was different in my interaction with Baby tonight other than....

I'VE BEEN FLASHED BY MY SNAKE!

LOL

~~Jo~~

ha ha, maybe your kids have been teaching baby some things behind your back. :P

It is really sad when your pets are better behaved then your kids :P


~~Jo~~

i am back from our little trip to the vet and it turns out that my worries were for naught. norah is, in fact, a female. (pshew! and yeeeah! :) ) and there is nothing wrong with her "parts."

Geeze I bet Norah's relieved to hear that too! :)

Glad to hear you still have the female you thought you'd purchased hon!


~~Jo~~

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i am back from our little trip to the vet and it turns out that my worries were for naught. norah is, in fact, a female. (pshew! and yeeeah! :) ) and there is nothing wrong with her "parts."

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Female? I've got cash!! ;) :D:D:D:D:D :twisted:

-adam

ha haa haaa! in your dreams punk! she's over 2000 grams now and i've got a nice little albino male just waiting to make friends with her this winter. :)

2000 grams! sounds nice! how is your albino male doing? i got to see some hatching at adam's and it's cool seeing those bright heads poking out!


vaughn

snick (the albino) is doing great! he's a fat little rat eating machine. :) he's up to about 850 now. he will hopefully be making very close friends with norah and another big girl (ashe) i have later this year.

http://www.mlededee.com/herps/bps/snick062805.jpg

Those are good shots mlededee.........not what everyone wants to look at all the time but good candid shots.
Adam made the call.....you can't tell for certain from that pic......those aren't hemipenes. But I guess you already found out you have a girl from what the vet told you.
Did you at least get to watch the vet probe her......that is something you have to see to understand how it is done.

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Lots of ball pythons will just evert all of their "junk" out at you when they're pi$$ed off. It's common.

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You get to wear their musk too if they are really freaked. It is such a great smell :puke:
When I was a kid I used to wear garter snake musk like it was cologne........:imslow:

Oh yeah....that is a great looking albino mlededee:)

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Those are good shots mlededee.........not what everyone wants to look at all the time but good candid shots.

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thanks--not my favorite subject of all time, but you know, it's just science i guess. :)

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Did you at least get to watch the vet probe her......that is something you have to see to understand how it is done.

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i watched him do it but i'm going to request a lesson next time i go. (we have a check up in 30 days for the stomatitis.) i'd like a trained eye to watch me the first time i give it a go to make sure i'm doing it right.

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Originally Posted by Joe_Compel

Oh yeah....that is a great looking albino mlededee

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thanks! he is one of my favorites. :love:

Oh sweetie he's so gorgeous! Lovely contrast between his colors too! I'm soooooooo jealous!

Ball pythons musk? Now why didn't I know this! I knew other snakes will musk you but quite honestly didn't know b.p.'s could also do this if upset enough? I assume they have some sort of musk gland in their vent do they? Interesting.

~~Jo~~

yes they do have a musk gland in their vent.

thanks jo, i love my little snick! :P

ball pythons have the same musk glands that most other snakes have but it just isn't as common that they actually musk you. a lot of that is because they are pretty laid back and somewhat lazy creatures. if you look here you can see where this male has released some musk while being popped.

Yewwwww that looks like nasty stuff! Glad they aren't prone to musking!


~~Jo~~

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When I was a kid I used to wear garter snake musk like it was cologne........:imslow:

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Uh, were you very popular with the ladies back then? lol

I got musked by a BP awhile ago; it was not as bad as a garter. It was a terrifed WC adult at a pet store :(

Mle, that is def. a female? I would have to aagree; my female looks like that when inverted. Hemipenes would be a bit darker and bigger/yuckier looking :) Learn to probe; it is very useful.