Pastel?

from pastel vanilla x pastel vanilla cream

Just pastel, or something more?
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It looks like a just pastel to me


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Looks like a Pastel to me.
Nothing more is jumping out.

Disclaimer: I am still new when it comes to morphs/morph ID, but...
I have a vanilla and see a lot of the same blushing, head stamp looks similar, etc...but much more yellow in yours due to the pastel. I read somewhere that vanillas have an identifying "moustache". My boy has what kinda looks like a moustache, meaning some brown markings around his mouth where a moustache would be. Honestly not sure if there's any truth to that, but maybe somebody with more experience can educate us both...

Beautiful snake any which way.

I have a question - when I type the pairing into WOBP or OWALs site, a Pastel is not a possible outcome. How come?


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I think I just answered my question - the Fire and Vanilla are allelic so one of them has to be passed on. So if that was in deed the pairing, the animal cannot be just Pastel


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Originally Posted by BPGator

I think I just answered my question - the Fire and Vanilla are allelic so one of them has to be passed on. So if that was in deed the pairing, the animal cannot be just Pastel


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You're right. I hadn't considered that. So then it must be pastel vanilla since it doesn't look bright enough to be a firefly to me.

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I think I just answered my question - the Fire and Vanilla are allelic so one of them has to be passed on. So if that was in deed the pairing, the animal cannot be just Pastel


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Ding ding, the point goes to gator. Now if you can tell vanilla or fire you are the man. I can't.

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Originally Posted by JodanOrNoDan

Ding ding, the point goes to gator. Now if you can tell vanilla or fire you are the man. I can't.

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Have you ever heard of the moustache thing I mentioned above? I only saw it in one place, so I don't know how much truth there is in it, but since my vanilla boy appears to have a "moustache" I haven't ruled it out.

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Originally Posted by craigafrechette

Have you ever heard of the moustache thing I mentioned above? I only saw it in one place, so I don't know how much truth there is in it, but since my vanilla boy appears to have a "moustache" I haven't ruled it out.

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I don't know enough about them to help the OP. I don't have anything from that complex in my collection other than fire. I remember hearing something about a moustache just not on what morph. I have Kevin's latest book so I will check it out tonight after I get done dealing with my babies that decided to start coming out today. This is a 3 gene clutch with possible supers so I may have some "what the heck is this" moments myself today.

You may be right on vanilla. It is a lot easier to develop an eye for a morph if you actually have it in your collection.

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Originally Posted by JodanOrNoDan

I don't know enough about them to help the OP. I don't have anything from that complex in my collection other than fire. I remember hearing something about a moustache just not on what morph. I have Kevin's latest book so I will check it out tonight after I get done dealing with my babies that decided to start coming out today. This is a 3 gene clutch with possible supers so I may have some "what the heck is this" moments myself today.

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Hahaha, ok. Good luck with your babies!
As always, thanks for your time and info.

...and yeah, definitely easier to pick out what you see every day. But I still have a LOT to learn, and definitely when it comes to morphs.

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Have you ever heard of the moustache thing I mentioned above? I only saw it in one place, so I don't know how much truth there is in it, but since my vanilla boy appears to have a "moustache" I haven't ruled it out.

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I have a Pastave Vanilla but she doesn't seem to have a mustache. But if Vanilla does have one, perhaps it got washed out by the other genes.

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Originally Posted by BPGator

I have a Pastave Vanilla but she doesn't seem to have a mustache. But if Vanilla does have one, perhaps it got washed out by the other genes.

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Thank you so much for your time and info. Perhaps it is washed out, perhaps what I read is inaccurate. This is why I like to be able to cite multiple sources prior to considering something to be true. So I guess this is still inconclusive until we can learn more. Again, thanks for your helpful reply :gj:

p.s. your girl is beautiful, I love the pastave combo, and the vanilla seems to add some beautiful blushing (still new to morphs, hope I'm seeing/explaining that right)...any which way, she's a beauty!

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I have a Pastave Vanilla but she doesn't seem to have a mustache. But if Vanilla does have one, perhaps it got washed out by the other genes.

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That is simply gorgeous !!