VIP constrictors on MorphMarket

I was not wronged by them in the sense of taking a loss but I would caution against using them. They had a female on my wish list for a couple weeks and today they dropped her price to 1$ ( originally was a bit over 100 iirc) and the posting said they needed to make room. Seemed odd but I looked and they had a 2nd female and dropped her to 1$ also. So, I inquired about how much to ship them to me and was told 750$..... which I assumed they meant 75 and during a back and forth exchange was told to contact them if I ever decided to get "serious" and no one would really sell them for 1$.

I reported their posts on MorphMarket as fraudulent and as of the posting of this he still had one listed as a dollar and the other now shows sold. The fact it was still listed as a dollar and both were changed kinda kills the "mistake" narrative

I found it odd, inquired and was given a bait and switch. I would just want others to be cautious if they list more items. For the record, I'm not upset they didn't sell to me as the 1$, I'm, just not a fan of bait and switch :)

I know I'm new here as well, but if a mod wanted to verify my post I have screenshots I could text them of the listings and the back and forth

There is no bait and switch........
Many vendors will list like that on some sites to draw attention to their ads.

I would disagree, listing for one price and then asking for another on a non auction site seems to fit the bill. But, feel free to delete this if you disagree. Thats the first time I ran into that on 7 purchases now on that site

I hate when vendors do that. Just tell them to list it for the price they want to sell it for and not to play games.

As for them saying no one would ever sell it for $1, ask them then why did they list it for $1 and not the true price they were looking to get.

As for telling you to contact them when you get 'serious', I would have told them there are a lot of other breeders out there who have much better manners so i will give them my thousands of dollars. Have a nice day.

I personally have never even heard of VIP constrictors and after the 'get serious' comment, i know i wont deal with them. I've never had a breeder be rude like that. Personally would have irked me and i probably would told him off lol. But thats me. All the breeders I've dealt with were more than happy to answer any questions and usually they ended up getting the sale as i wouldnt want to waste mine and their times asking a bunch of stuff unless i was interested in the animal.

I havent heard of VIP and will have to admit I miss read that for VPI

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Originally Posted by Sauzo

I hate when vendors do that. Just tell them to list it for the price they want to sell it for and not to play games.

As for them saying no one would ever sell it for $1, ask them then why did they list it for $1 and not the true price they were looking to get.

As for telling you to contact them when you get 'serious', I would have told them there are a lot of other breeders out there who have much better manners so i will give them my thousands of dollars. Have a nice day.

I personally have never even heard of VIP constrictors and after the 'get serious' comment, i know i wont deal with them. I've never had a breeder be rude like that. Personally would have irked me and i probably would told him off lol. But thats me. All the breeders I've dealt with were more than happy to answer any questions and usually they ended up getting the sale as i wouldnt want to waste mine and their times asking a bunch of stuff unless i was interested in the animal.

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That was my thinking. I didn't take a loss, I just didn't agree with their method of business. I don't think their intention was to be rude per say, I think we just ran into a communication disconnect when the price became 748$ more than advertised :)

I have a high standard and the persons I have purchased from on that site thus far have been very stand up and up front. I've grown accustomed to that level I suppose.

I am sure they will be able to answer any concerns since they are a member here.

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Buy it for $1 then tell them to forget the shipping, you will pick it up in person 😂

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Originally Posted by Mr.Snake

I would disagree, listing for one price and then asking for another on a non auction site seems to fit the bill. But, feel free to delete this if you disagree. Thats the first time I ran into that on 7 purchases now on that site

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This type of activity is unethical. I would not buy anything from these people, board member or not, once I have seen this type of behavior.

I agree, and they are pushing those 2 snakes on every forum. I laughed and thought to myself that I wont support people in this community that lacks ethics..

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Originally Posted by Deborah

I am sure they will be able to answer any concerns since they are a member here.

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Friends,
First of all we would like to thank @Deborah for the heads up about this complaint due to the fact that the complainer did not have the courtesy to even let us know.

We will address only the initial complaint due to the fact that any responses to one sided rumors (from a non customer) are irrelevant. Please hit us up with any questions you might have.
To the rest of the folks we are sorry for your time because in short this post sounds as a cry-out of someone that didnt get what he wanted - a FREE snake (and we can relate to that - we are all human).

To anyone who is interested in facts here they are:

Yesterday we have decided to auction 2 snakes that we had listed on morphmarket.
As any honest business would do the decision was made to take them off sale so they are not sold to someone else after the customer bids on it.
The person who was assigned to do that didnt find a way to hide the listings on morphmarket but didnt want to delete them (in case they needed to be listed again if no bids are submitted) so she decided to mark them as $1 thinking no one will contact us due to this ridicules price on stellar breeders. Here is the chain of events after:

1. Yet we received an email from I assume individual known as "Mr.Snake" here asking about the price shipped. Due to the fact that it was early on and no bids were there yet we gave him the price - X shipped (and a good price it was!). He decided to divide the price by TEN and sent us the following email : "If it's x/10 for the 2 girls I'll take them both :)".
At that point he seemed like a typical ball kicker that has too much time on his hands. So we treated him accordingly but with respect (by telling him not to get free snakes because he might get sick snake and be in big trouble which happened to a lot of folks here)!

2. "Mr.Snake" decided to make another attempt and send us another email with the price divided by 10!!!!!!! He received no response to it.

3. Then he contacted us via chat on facebook and we had a nice conversation about Trump and snake collections

4. "Mr. Snake" then informed that he had our snake on wishlist and he saw that now it is $1. And then again offered to buy it for price divided by 10! He was replied that we answered this question

5. Then he AGAIN informed us that he wanted it for $1 and he assumed that the real price we gave him is wrong (at this point it is safe to assume that it should have been clear)

6. We informed him that one of the snakes has a bid (which it had at this point) and if he wanted her he needed to bid.

You probably don't want to thanks me just yet ;)

While I figured it was the e plaination based on your post here I have to say that if you are a buyer and look at morph market (I am both a buyer and seller there) posting something on Morph Market with a price tag of $1 knowing that morph market is a retail site not a auction site is misleading to say the least.

That's nothing more than a bait and switch people enquire because they see the price and then they are told the price is different.

I have no issue with people auctioning their animals (also I would not do it) but you have to make up your mind, it's either for sale for the appropriate sale's price or it is up for auction.

Again Morph Market is not an auction site and the ad as it stands there is misleading, can you imagine if place a Pied on there for $1 and than answer "sorry it''s not the price" but in the mean time I get hundreds of inquiries because of the $1 price tag.

If people are looking for auctions there is the reptile ring, and various Facebook group I belive, as a buyer if I go on Morph Market I expect the listed price to be what I will pay.

Note: I have also invited John (from Morph Market) to join the conversation on this.

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Originally Posted by VIP CONSTRICTORS

Friends,
First of all we would like to thank @Deborah for the heads up about this complaint due to the fact that the complainer did not have the courtesy to even let us know.

We will address only the initial complaint due to the fact that any responses to one sided rumors (from a non customer) are irrelevant. Please hit us up with any questions you might have.
To the rest of the folks we are sorry for your time because in short this post sounds as a cry-out of someone that didnt get what he wanted - a FREE snake (and we can relate to that - we are all human).

To anyone who is interested in facts here they are:

Yesterday we have decided to auction 2 snakes that we had listed on morphmarket.
As any honest business would do the decision was made to take them off sale so they are not sold to someone else after the customer bids on it.
The person who was assigned to do that didnt find a way to hide the listings on morphmarket but didnt want to delete them (in case they needed to be listed again if no bids are submitted) so she decided to mark them as $1 thinking no one will contact us due to this ridicules price on stellar breeders. Here is the chain of events after:

1. Yet we received an email from I assume individual known as "Mr.Snake" here asking about the price shipped. Due to the fact that it was early on and no bids were there yet we gave him the price - X shipped (and a good price it was!). He decided to divide the price by TEN and sent us the following email : "If it's x/10 for the 2 girls I'll take them both :)".
At that point he seemed like a typical ball kicker that has too much time on his hands. So we treated him accordingly but with respect (by telling him not to get free snakes because he might get sick snake and be in big trouble which happened to a lot of folks here)!

2. "Mr.Snake" decided to make another attempt and send us another email with the price divided by 10!!!!!!! He received no response to it.

3. Then he contacted us via chat on facebook and we had a nice conversation about Trump and snake collections

4. "Mr. Snake" then informed that he had our snake on wishlist and he saw that now it is $1. And then again offered to buy it for price divided by 10! He was replied that we answered this question

5. Then he AGAIN informed us that he wanted it for $1 and he assumed that the real price we gave him is wrong (at this point it is safe to assume that it should have been clear)

6. We informed him that one of the snakes has a bid (which it had at this point) and if he wanted her he needed to bid.

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So, let's correct some mis-information

I am a trump fan, but WE had no conversation about him. You made a few comments about him and I made ZERO comments about him. You may view me as a "Ball Kicker" but I skipped right past your political conversation and tried to get right to business

Second, I was not trying to divide your price by 10, I was trying to figure out if your initial reply to me was a typo considering I thought I knew the price. The price YOU had listed on a site that is NOT a auction site. So my initial message to you was to find out the shipping price considering you said you were trying to make room as they didn't fit your future plans. so when you said 750, I was under the impression that you meant 75 since 750 shipping would be insane but 75$ to ship a adult is in line with current rates.

I stand by my belief that you are not a person I would do business with. Had you of explained early on that there was a pricing issue and you were simply trying to remove them from the market all this could have been avoided. I would have simply moved on from it

Someone listing snakes at a low price to simply make room is something that happens on MorphMarket, there is\was ( I didnt look today, but it was there for certain yesterday ) a adult cinny on there for 15$

In fact it was not until the last message you sent prior to telling me I could "bid" on it that you told me it was a mistake in price. Which seemed odd since you made no effort to correct the mistake ie...removing the listing

The screenshots are available to anyone that wants to verify.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

You probably don't want to thanks me just yet ;)

While I figured it was the e plaination based on your post here I have to say that if you are a buyer and look at morph market (I am both a buyer and seller there) posting something on Morph Market with a price tag of $1 knowing that morph market is a retail site not a auction site is misleading to say the least.

That's nothing more than a bait and switch people enquire because they see the price and then they are told the price is different.

I have no issue with people auctioning their animals (also I would not do it) but you have to make up your mind, it's either for sale for the appropriate sale's price or it is up for auction.

Again Morph Market is not an auction site and the ad as it stands there is misleading, can you imagine if place a Pied on there for $1 and than answer "sorry it''s not the price" but in the mean time I get hundreds of inquiries because of the $1 price tag.

If people are looking for auctions there is the reptile ring, and various Facebook group I belive, as a buyer if I go on Morph Market I expect the listed price to be what I will pay.

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That was my point, which is why I posted a clear disclaimer in my initial post that I did not suffer a loss but disagreed with the methods

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Originally Posted by Deborah

You probably don't want to thanks me just yet ;)

While I figured it was the e plaination based on your post here I have to say that if you are a buyer and look at morph market (I am both a buyer and seller there) posting something on Morph Market with a price tag of $1 knowing that morph market is a retail site not a auction site is misleading to say the least.

That's nothing more than a bait and switch people enquire because they see the price and then they are told the price is different.

I have no issue with people auctioning their animals (also I would not do it) but you have to make up your mind, it's either for sale for the appropriate sale's price or it is up for auction.

Again Morph Market is not an auction site and the ad as it stands there is misleading, can you imagine if place a Pied on there for $1 and than answer "sorry it''s not the price" but in the mean time I get hundreds of inquiries because of the $1 price tag.

If people are looking for auctions there is the reptile ring, and various Facebook group I belive, as a buyer if I go on Morph Market I expect the listed price to be what I will pay.

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I agree and as I explained it was a mistake. If you posted your pied for a $1 I would not have inquired about it and if I did, your "sorry it's not the price" once would have been enough. But most certainly you would not be subject to the mud dragging that the individual gave us here.

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Originally Posted by VIP CONSTRICTORS

I agree and as I explained it was a mistake. If you posted your pied for a $1 I would not have inquired about it and if I did, your "sorry it's not the price" once would have been enough. But most certainly you would not be subject to the mud dragging that the individual gave us here.

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A explanation would have worked better, but you did not give that. Your last message about it was that it was a mistake and when I asked why you changed both your listings to a dollar you did not reply. I then watched your listings on MM and when you did not correct the price from the 1$ hours later - I didn't buy your "mistake" narrative.

Maybe your mistake was intentional and maybe it was not. But we deal in a market where I feel people have to watch after one another when it comes to breeders we deal with. I gave a accurate account of our interaction and people can choose for themselves.

But, I'm done with this thread. I suggest you take better care where you have -auction- items posted to avoid confusion in the future.

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Originally Posted by VIP CONSTRICTORS

I agree and as I explained it was a mistake. If you posted your pied for a $1 I would not have inquired about it and if I did, your "sorry it's not the price" once would have been enough. But most certainly you would not be subject to the mud dragging that the individual gave us here.

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In every retail establishment I have ever been involved with, if a pricing mistake was made it the mistake was to the benefit of the customer not the store. Be glad you got out of the deal. If it was me that made the mistake the customer would have gotten a deal of a lifetime or at least a straight up explanation. How Trump got dragged into your discussion with a possible customer I don't know but it shows inexperience on your part. Personal views as to politics, race, religion, and sexual preferences have no place in retail sales. In my opinion it would be best for you not to say anything else and learn from this mistake.

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Originally Posted by JodanOrNoDan

In every retail establishment I have ever been involved with, if a pricing mistake was made it the mistake was to the benefit of the customer not the store. Be glad you got out of the deal. If it was me that made the mistake the customer would have gotten a deal of a lifetime or at least a straight up explanation. How Trump got dragged into your discussion with a possible customer I don't know but it shows inexperience on your part. Personal views as to politics, race, religion, and sexual preferences have no place in retail sales. In my opinion it would be best for you not to say anything else and learn from this mistake.

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Thank you for the tips but his facebook picture is the picture of Trump. As for retail sales I absolutely agree but these days you know much more about the customer than you used to when they walked into the retail store. And I have never seen anyone just giving the deal of a lifetime if it was price mistake which he was informed about. Lets admit non of us are saints but it doesnt justify any mud dragging.
But you are correct! Enough time burned on this.

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Originally Posted by VIP CONSTRICTORS

I agree and as I explained it was a mistake. If you posted your pied for a $1 I would not have inquired about it and if I did, your "sorry it's not the price" once would have been enough. But most certainly you would not be subject to the mud dragging that the individual gave us here.

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See I started off with the thought that you did the $1 listing to draw attention to your ad. I am not a fan of it but I know it happens.
However listing an animal on MorphMarket AND having it listed in an auction at the same time is really shady and brings character into question.
Doesn't shine so bright and you are responsible for the actions of all the people that represent you.

Next time just adjust your price on MorphMarket to your 'Buy it Now' price. No reason not to leave up the 1000$ price tag or even jack it up to 1500$ while holding an auction elsewhere, that way if someone buys it at top price on MM then no harm no foul, auction ended with 'High' bid.

You can also mark an animal as "on hold", which allows you to show any interested parties that the animal isn't available without deleting the listing. It would've been better than changing the price to $1 and then asking for $750.

It sounds like there was poor communication on both sides. I'd expect that from a customer, but from a business it sounds unprofessional. If the animals were up for auction it would've been best to explain that right away, not ask for payment and then continue to haggle with the customer. :colbert:

Like others have said, both parties are at fault to some degree and neither of you are innocent. These are the same posts on the FBI group where nobody was out anything but still want to drag names through the mud, both buyers and sellers do it.

Regardless of whether you made a mistake with the listing on MorphMarket, it's extremely shady to be running an auction while also keeping a listing active. You cleared it up with Mr. Snake but that still does not look good on your character and IMO, will hurt your reputation for some time.

As for Mr. Snake, you said in your opening that you weren't wronged by VIP but went on to drag his name through the mud. It's great that you have screenshots but this was a bit overkill because you have not lost any money. You should have just left it alone and walked away.

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Originally Posted by andrewross8705

You should have just left it alone and walked away.

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I disagree. If no one asks the question, issues don't get fixed. Perhaps he could've asked the question in a better way, but it's good he asked. He learned something, and the seller learned something. Win, win.

Walking away from a situation only means other people end up getting screwed later down the road by sellers that really are trying to be shady.

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Originally Posted by ladywhipple02

I disagree. If no one asks the question, issues don't get fixed. Perhaps he could've asked the question in a better way, but it's good he asked. He learned something, and the seller learned something. Win, win.

Walking away from a situation only means other people end up getting screwed later down the road by sellers that really are trying to be shady.

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Apologies, meant to word that differently but got sidetracked and didn't add the rest before posting. What I meant to say was:

You should have just left it alone and walked away after the 1st time they explained things instead of repeatedly going back with the same offers.

While I can certainly see issues from both sides in this case the main point I would like to make ( while I do expect it to be unnecessary, I add it for future guidance ) is that simply communicating with the site owners may have prevented this occurring.

On this site anyone intentionally using this technique to generate responses to an advert could find themselves banned from making any more.

hopefully everyone involved has learned some vital or useful advice for the future to avoid problems. :)

Hey guys, just got back from vacation so catching up on everything. Thanks to Deborah for looping me in.

Here is MorphMarket's point of view on this situation:

1. Clearly our site is not an auction site and our rules stipulate listing the actual price for the animal. Mr. Snake appropriately flagged this ad.
2. Our rules are enforced with consequences deemed appropriate to each situation. VIP shouldn't have done this but I think they know this at this point and will just be given a warning.
3. We need to do a better job communicating our rules to all sellers, as seen above they are nested in our store guide which not everyone has read (even though I think they are asked to read the rules when signing up). In the not distant future we'll require sellers to read our rules and opt in that they have read them which should somewhat reduce the "misdemeanor" level problems that occur, possibly out of ignorance, like this one.

Unrelated to this situation but on the topic of rules and consequences, in a limited number of situations we have immediately banned sellers where significant attempted or actual deception occurred, with evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. This is something like taking money and sending no animal, or selling a non-het as a het. Furthermore, our evolving strategies have been successful at keeping these individuals off our site, which is a very difficult task in itself.

Generally speaking, we provide these recommendations for selecting a breeder that you can purchase from with confidence, and one day hope to build a review system. However building a reliable review system is much more difficult than many imagine. If you want an unmoderated review system just look at Facebook.