Identify "normal"

Got a new female in a trade was told she is a normal possibly a black pastel. Personally I do not belive she is either, I think she is a het red axanthic what do you think?
Thanks
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Idk what she is but she's stunning 😍😍😍

Doesn't look black pastel. Doesn't look hra.

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Originally Posted by Spiritserpents

Doesn't look black pastel. Doesn't look hra.

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I know she is not a black pastel, I havn't seen an hra in person to compare but by comparing pictures from wob the is the closest thing to her but she still looks alot different.

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Originally Posted by farmer1911 45ACP

I know she is not a black pastel, I havn't seen an hra in person to compare but by comparing pictures from wob the is the closest thing to her but she still looks alot different.

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She is not black pastel and not het red axanthic. She would be considered a normal until proven differently

First photo is a black pastel
And second photo is a hra for comparisonhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...82059bb31c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...1ce816cba6.jpg

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That is definitely not a normal. It sure looks like a VPI Axanthic to me... Gorgeous snake, though!

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Originally Posted by Aedryan Methyus

That is definitely not a normal. It sure looks like a VPI Axanthic to me... Gorgeous snake, though!

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Definitely doesn't look like a normal however because it was bought as a normal and is unproven it should be labeled normal until proven differently
Is definitely dinker Worthy

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Ok, so I'm still very new to the morphs out there these days and eager to learn since getting back into the hobby.

Can somebody explain how a het red axanthic is identified visually?
Why can HRA be identified visually, but a het pied, for example, can not be identified visually and can only be proven out through breeding?

Thanks...

Het red axanthic is a codom gene with a super form
Piebald is recessive
Corey woods whom bred the first red axanthic named it and while confusing it was his to name. Personally I feel it should be red axanthic and super red axanthic
To identify a het red axanthic look at color. And pattern they differ from normal. Plus het reds have a searous attitude ( they tend to grow out of this)
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Originally Posted by StillBP

Het red axanthic is a codom gene with a super form
Piebald is recessive
Corey woods whom bred the first red axanthic named it and while confusing it was his to name. Personally I feel it should be red axanthic and super red axanthic
To identify a het red axanthic look at color. And pattern they differ from normal. Plus het reds have a searous attitude ( they tend to grow out of this)
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Ok, thank you. And I agree with your thoughts of red/super red axanthic, seems to make more sense.
Is this the only example of a visual het?

It's complicated. Any morph with a super form has a het because het is heterozygous meaning that it has one copy of a normal gene and one copy of a mutated Gene
Homozygous means it has two copies of the gene. So het. As referred to in our hobby is used incorrectly. Now note this is just layman's terms on genetics 101
Het red axanthic is simply the name he chose to use


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Originally Posted by StillBP

It's complicated. Any morph with a super form has a het because het is heterozygous meaning that it has one copy of a normal gene and one copy of a mutated Gene
Homozygous means it has two copies of the gene. So het. As referred to in our hobby is used incorrectly. Now note this is just layman's terms on genetics 101
Het red axanthic is simply the name he chose to use


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Ok, thanks. Still very much in the learning stages of morphs and what it all means. I just got back into the hobby after years away. A LOT has changed.

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Originally Posted by StillBP

Definitely doesn't look like a normal however because it was bought as a normal and is unproven it should be labeled normal until proven differently
Is definitely dinker Worthy

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Just like law"Normal until proven genetic"! She is getting bred with maybe an albino this year, so that if she is a Co-dom/Dom the babies should be distinct and if not when bred together we will see if she is recessive and possibly make snows since I think she is sometype of axanthic.

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Originally Posted by farmer1911 45ACP

Just like law"Normal until proven genetic"! She is getting bred with maybe an albino this year, so that if she is a Co-dom/Dom the babies should be distinct and if not when bred together we will see if she is recessive and possibly make snows since I think she is sometype of axanthic.

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Put her back to a son next season and try to prove her out worst case is you make possible het Albino
But at least you would know