Yellow and Black morphs

Hi everyone. This is my first post and I am very new to the BP world and know a bit after some research. I just got one and I am thinking about getting another one. I am not going to breed, and while there are many that I really, really like, I plan on not getting carried away and so this second BP will most likely be it for me.

For my next BP I would prefer a pastel desert ghost, however, they are too expensive right now for someone like me who is just a beginner that just want them as pets. $350 is the most I will spend on this one.

I basically want a morph with an intense vibrant yellow that does not go away with age that has nice black markings/patterns and some white color next to it. Besides the pastel desert ghost that I can't afford, I have looked at fireflys, super enchi pastels, orange dream fire and the regular ghost desert. From videos, it seems like the ghost desert turns white with age, or am I wrong? And from pictures some of the desert ghost seems to have some white color, which I like, while some don't. So are all morphs, appearance-wise, a bit different even though they are the same type?

Of these 4 morphs, which one will keep its intense yellow and black patterns all it's life? Is there another morph I didn't list here that I should consider that's in my budget?

If anyone can help me on choosing my next BP I would appreciate it. Thanks

Go with superfly mojave or something similar. There's one to be had for under $350 on mm right now if you negotiate. If you want bolder yellow, a firefly with enchi can be had for your budget. There are a lot of options out there. Just remember that some sellers will negotiate with you on mm, so if it is just a tad over your budget, the seller might accommodate.

It sounds like you want a pastel desert ghost. I don't blame you, they are my favorite as well. As far as I know, nothing comes even close to the bright clean yellow and dark ink black combo of this morph. If your sure that's what you'd like, you might be best holding out for a baby boy. They shouldn't be too far out of your price range and they will eventually come down a little. If you get something else, you'll probably be disappointed and end up getting what you really want down the road anyway lol.

So are all morphs, appearance-wise, a bit different even though they are the same type?
Yes, and some morphs can vary a lot more than others! People refer to clean pattern and vibrant color as "high quality" examples of morphs, but that's also subjective if you're just looking for a pet. It just depends on what you like.

Also, pastel orange dream, firefly enchi, pastel enchi ghost?

I just browse morphmarket and sort by a gene and price range.

I looked at the Enchi Firefly, they are very pretty and within my budget. So the color these morphs don't go away with age? refretic, which morph is that on your picture?

ohh nvm, its the one I want :) :(

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I looked at the Enchi Firefly, they are very pretty and within my budget. So the color these morphs don't go away with age? refretic, which morph is that on your picture?

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Well, you can find these on mm as adults as well and you judge for yourself. The fire Gene is known to get better with age.

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I looked at the Enchi Firefly, they are very pretty and within my budget. So the color these morphs don't go away with age? refretic, which morph is that on your picture?

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You guessed right, she's a pastel desert ghost. She's up to 1100 grams and looks as good as ever. You can find young males for about $500-$600 right now. A bit out of your price range but worth it 😬

Some of the other combos mentioned are beautiful but I've never seen an adult with the kind of bright yellow and dark black contrast like you get with the pastel desert ghost. I have a lot of other nice combos but my pastel desert ghost girl blows them all away imo.

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Man its hard to choose, no wonder people have a lot of BPs lol. I narrowed down my choices a bit, to orange dream fire or some type of pastel/enchi

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Man its hard to choose, no wonder people have a lot of BPs lol. I narrowed down my choices a bit, to orange dream fire or some type of pastel/enchi

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I know your looking for yellow but since you mentioned OD fire, you may want to look into OD enchi. It's not as yellow as OD fire but it is brighter and cleaner in my experience with both, it's just orange instead of yellow. Really nice combo imo, reminds me of a tiger lol.

One other thing, if your looking for a bright and clean yellow, I would stay away from pastel combos other than desert ghost. All the others I've seen are beautiful when young but as they age they tend to get dirty or brown up. I have a pastel enchi and although he is still beautiful, his top has become very dirty looking. He still has bright yellow sides but I believe that is thanks to the enchi. Most pastels start bright yellow but as they age they turn to more of a light brown look.

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I know your looking for yellow but since you mentioned OD fire, you may want to look into OD enchi. It's not as yellow as OD fire but it is brighter and cleaner in my experience with both, it's just orange instead of yellow. Really nice combo imo, reminds me of a tiger lol.

One other thing, if your looking for a bright and clean yellow, I would stay away from pastel combos other than desert ghost. All the others I've seen are beautiful when young but as they age they tend to get dirty or brown up. I have a pastel enchi and although he is still beautiful, his top has become very dirty looking. He still has bright yellow sides but I believe that is thanks to the enchi. Most pastels start bright yellow but as they age they turn to more of a light brown look.

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My pastel fire 3 yrs old and breeding size now mind you fire helps hold color but still she didn't brown. Her Black was never truly black from the day I got her but the yellow is superhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...44755b28d1.jpg

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My pastel fire 3 yrs old and breeding size now mind you fire helps hold color but still she didn't brown. Her Black was never truly black from the day I got her but the yellow is superhttps://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...44755b28d1.jpg

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dont take this the wrong way because it is a beautiful snake, but this would be what I consider 'dirty' it doesn't mean it's not pretty, it just doesn't have that clean yellow that I'm talking about. I need to get a pic up of my pastel desert ghost, it is the only one I have that I would consider 'clean'

Believe me I know what DG can do nothing else comes close. I was stating that you can get a pastel that will hold color

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Believe me I know what DG can do nothing else comes close. I was stating that you can get a pastel that will hold color

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That is very true, I should have said most because I know there are some really nicely colored pastel and Patel combo adults out there, you just see a lot more that have either faded or became almost completely brown. If going the pastel route, it would be wise to see the parents if possible, it's not a guarantee but it will definitely give better odds of getting one that will hold its color well if the parents have.

i also take back that my pastel DG is the 'only' clean snake I have, I should of said it is the only clean yellow and black bp I have or have seen for that mater. There are quite a few clean morphs out there, they just are not yellow and black.

My mojave bumblebee. She's 450g now and has kept her black and yellow very nicely.

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My mojave bumblebee. She's 450g now and has kept her black and yellow very nicely.

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This is a gorgeous example of clean! I've never seen it before. Reminds me of my killer bee but I like how yours has the dark black to add beautiful contrast. My killer bees black is faded from the super pastel. I like yours better 😁

So in general bp tend to lighten up with age? The one above is nice yellow but I also want thicker bold black patterns. Would an orange dream pastel or orange dream yellow belly grow up with clean yellow and blacks? I just like the black patterns of an orange dream.

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So in general bp tend to lighten up with age? The one above is nice yellow but I also want thicker bold black patterns. Would an orange dream pastel or orange dream yellow belly grow up with clean yellow and blacks? I just like the black patterns of an orange dream.

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All bp do not lighten with age, closer to the opposite actually, most darken. One morph that is known to get lighter with age is fire and I know there is a couple others. As for OD pastel or any other for that matter, will not 'clean up' they typically get dirtier with age. The cleaner a bp is at a young age the better. Don't get one that looks dirty at a young age and think that it will clean up, it will at best stay the same or get dirtier.

You may want to look into OD fire. The fire makes them a little more yellow than orange compared to say OD enchi, mine is very orange. The adult OD fires I have seen have been very nice and clean. They are not super bright but have a very nice clean pattern.

Does Fire, Yellowbelly and Super genes all make for a brighter color? Which one is a better intensifier?

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Does Fire, Yellowbelly and Super genes all make for a brighter color? Which one is a better intensifier?

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Fire enhances color best out of those you named but there are genes like desert ghost that go beyond anything else enchi does wonders also

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I kinda feel like a cheapskate, looking for cheaper alternatives, lol. I just feel like if I get something too expensive its like I'm afraid to touch it or hold it a lot. I'm not in a rush though, but I have been spending a lot of my free time looking over and over at the many different options, discovering new ones, and switching my choice day to day. But by the time I can stick to a cheap alternative for a while, I will probably save enough for an pastel desert ghost, lol. But I'm learning a lot in the process.

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I kinda feel like a cheapskate, looking for cheaper alternatives, lol. I just feel like if I get something too expensive its like I'm afraid to touch it or hold it a lot. I'm not in a rush though, but I have been spending a lot of my free time looking over and over at the many different options, discovering new ones, and switching my choice day to day. But by the time I can stick to a cheap alternative for a while, I will probably save enough for an pastel desert ghost, lol. But I'm learning a lot in the process.

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If you want to add color and keep it on a budget go enchi fire.

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That's pretty, although I do prefer thicker black patterns. There's a pastel mojave orange dream 2 (don't know what the 2 means) at mm right now that looks very pretty and clean. What do you guys think of that one. It reminds me of pastel desert ghost.

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That's pretty, although I do prefer thicker black patterns. There's a pastel mojave orange dream 2 (don't know what the 2 means) at mm right now that looks very pretty and clean. What do you guys think of that one. It reminds me of pastel desert ghost.

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I think the 2 just means #2 because he has two of them available. It is a pretty snake and nice and clean. Doesn't look anything like a pastel desert ghost though, pattern and color are way different, pastel dg doesn't have any brown in it where as this morph has a lot of brown. But a very pretty combo either way. Seems like a great price too, almost makes me a little cautious because his are listed for $360 but all the others I saw where between $550-$800? Seems like a huge difference to me?

So I finally got my second BP. I got a Firefly since it has the nice yellows and blacks that I want and after seeing videos of adult ones maintaining their colors on youtube. I am very happy.

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... even before I got my first BP, my ultramel, I knew I would get at max 3. Now to decide on my real last BP. I'm thinking an albino or another black and yellow morph. Maybe it should be the one i really want, a pastel desert ghost

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So I finally got my second BP. I got a Firefly since it has the nice yellows and blacks that I want and after seeing videos of adult ones maintaining their colors on youtube. I am very happy.

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Very nice choice! Firefly was my favorite when I first got into the hobby. I believe that one you posted may be an exceptional example though, I don't think many are that clean. Either way firefly was a very good choice and seems to fit what you wanted very well.

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...2/img_3125.jpgHere's my desert ghost for comparison, I think they are fairly close. If I were you, and was only planning to have 3, I would go with something completely different. You already have a nice black and yellow, now I would go with something orange or maybe something real dark like a black pastel combo or maybe a ghi mojave.

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I was very lucky to find a Firefly this nice and well below $200. I think the ones left on mm aren't as nice as this one I have. Its just so nice to look at and I'm kinda liking him better than my ultramel. All my friends, who knows nothing about bps, think my Firefly is a venomous snake just because of the beautiful bright colors. Hmm as for the third maybe a black and white, but aren't those still super expensive like the stormtrooper or super pastel axanthic.

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I was very lucky to find a Firefly this nice and well below $200. I think the ones left on mm aren't as nice as this one I have. Its just so nice to look at and I'm kinda liking him better than my ultramel. All my friends, who knows nothing about bps, think my Firefly is a venomous snake just because of the beautiful bright colors. Hmm as for the third maybe a black and white, but aren't those still super expensive like the stormtrooper or super pastel axanthic.

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Oh so that one is actually yours. You did very well! Most of them are not near as clean as yours. Now you just have to hope it doesn't darken or get too dirty as it ages.

As for a black and white, I think your going to have a hard time finding one in your price range. I've only seen a few that I would consider pure white and black and they were going for around $1200. The ghi mojave is more of a yellow and black but it's one of my favorites because it looks completely different than anything else, nothing like what you have so far and if you like heavy black, I think you'd like it.

Super pastel axanthics can be got for $500 occasionally.

Thanks guys, I'm planning on getting some type of albino, but still looking/ waiting till i see one i like.

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