Pumpkin Mimosa Enchi aging

http://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/rept...-pythons/66728

so this guy is practically in my backyard and i've been drooling over him for a while now, but i'm wondering how he'll color up as he ages. will the yellow become more orange? the blue to black? will the enchi change anything from how they look here?: http://www.worldofballpythons.com/ar...kin-champagne/

also, does this look like it's a good example of the morph? i know he's still wittle but my eye for morphs needs more practice. thanks for any input! :)

wow whatta purdy snake. i haven't seen an adult one, but others may chime in.

i think the blue/purple will dull or darken as this color does so in other morphs. i think the Pumpkin line w/ the addition of Ghost will maintain it's overall colors tho. i have a Goldblush Mojave which is a line bred Mojo with enhanced colors (like the Pumpkin Champagne) and an Enchi Ghost and Honeybee and they are as bright as ever, even more so after a shed. :)

at the very least, the breeder may have pix of adults.

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Originally Posted by Ax01

wow whatta purdy snake. i haven't seen an adult one, but others may chime in.

i think the blue/purple will dull or darken as this color does so in other morphs. i think the Pumpkin line w/ the addition of Ghost will maintain it's overall colors tho. i have a Goldblush Mojave which is a line bred Mojo with enhanced colors (like the Pumpkin Champagne) and an Enchi Ghost and Honeybee and they are as bright as ever, even more so after a shed. :)

at the very least, the breeder may have pix of adults.

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i might have to contact them...i just started researching Champagne morphs and i saw him when i was browsing, and i could just drive over and get him!!! that's what's so tempting! thanks for the reply.

Yep! That is one gorgeous snake. I wish I could help you in terms of what it will look like when it ages but I'm not sure. I think enchi (along with OD and leopard) are some of the best champagne combos because they bring in a lot of patterning. The fact that it's also hypo is icing on the cake.


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Yep! That is one gorgeous snake. I wish I could help you in terms of what it will look like when it ages but I'm not sure. I think enchi (along with OD and leopard) are some of the best champagne combos because they bring in a lot of patterning. The fact that it's also hypo is icing on the cake.


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i couldn't believe how i've managed to ignore the Champagne gene, then i saw this guy and just couldn't help but think about him. maaaan you guys are making this hard!!!

I would hazard that it will get lighter with age. I have no experience with any of the morphs so maybe someone else will chime in:

Enchi seems to get lighter over time
Champagne seems to get lighter over time
Orange ghost seems to... yellow?

I believe that the coloration change of the componant morphs will be represented in the designer morph. So if they all tend to lighten, the end result should be a snake which lightens.

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I would hazard that it will get lighter with age. I have no experience with any of the morphs so maybe someone else will chime in:

Enchi seems to get lighter over time
Champagne seems to get lighter over time
Orange ghost seems to... yellow?

I believe that the coloration change of the componant morphs will be represented in the designer morph. So if they all tend to lighten, the end result should be a snake which lightens.

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thanks for your input! so i'm thinking it would get like a very light orange? i'm having a hard time finding any images of this morph online. ):

It looks like ghost enchi champagne was first produced in 2015, meaning that the likelihood of there being an adult of this combination in this line isn't very likely.

So, here is my advice, contact the breeder for pictures of the parents, that should give you some idea of what you are going to have. Although with the recessive trait it may be difficult to tell

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It looks like ghost enchi champagne was first produced in 2015, meaning that the likelihood of there being an adult of this combination in this line isn't very likely.

So, here is my advice, contact the breeder for pictures of the parents, that should give you some idea of what you are going to have. Although with the recessive trait it may be difficult to tell

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thank you very much! i will do just that.

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

I would hazard that it will get lighter with age. I have no experience with any of the morphs so maybe someone else will chime in:

Enchi seems to get lighter over time
Champagne seems to get lighter over time
Orange ghost seems to... yellow?

I believe that the coloration change of the componant morphs will be represented in the designer morph. So if they all tend to lighten, the end result should be a snake which lightens.

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Enchi colors stay pretty consistent over time. the dark speckling of a Champagne, well, darkens as they mature. Ghost/Orange Ghost/Hypo adds a simultaneous blue overall and highlighter to make brights glow. i really don't see the colors of this BP changing much. i've only noticed the Pastel gene creating the most dramatic change in Champagnes as they age. they start out really light and with good contrast if there are other genes present. they yellow over time and eventually the background color and pattern color will be a muddled yellow.

Thank you, Ax01. Again I have no experience with any of those morphs and was looking up images of them, they seemed to be lighter with age/yellow based on the images of the snakes that I could find. It is pretty difficult to find images of a snake as it develops and in my experience the only real way to tell what a morph does is experience it or know it from the experiences of others.

so did u get it?

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so did u get it?

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no. i got to see the parents and clutch and i decided that little dude wasn't for me, or my very far-off plans to breed. it was such a beautiful animal, but i think i'll wait for something else to catch my eye that also works into my ideal future projects.

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so did u get it?

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no. i got to see the parents and clutch and i decided that little dude wasn't for me, or my very far-off plans to breed. it was such a beautiful animal, but i think i'll wait for something else to catch my eye that also works into my ideal future projects.

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were one of the parents of the same morph? obviously they are at least a combo of genes (Pumpkin Champagne, Enchi, Ghost) but was wondering if u we disappointed in the adult morph.

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were one of the parents of the same morph? obviously they are at least a combo of genes (Pumpkin Champagne, Enchi, Ghost) but was wondering if u we disappointed in the adult morph.

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no, i only got to see the sire which was most likely a champagne het OG and i was told the dam was enchi OG.

Honestly, I think that the non-pumpkin champagnes pair with enchi much better than the pumpkin line. I actually saw that particular snake in person that you were looking at, and while it was very nice and a gene combination on my short list, I couldn't justify the price on it.