Help with ID please

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What was the pairing?

Father is a cinnamon, mother was bought as a cinnamon but turns out shes not one so I dont know what her genes are.

So the mother is some other morph or normal?


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Mother is definitely not a normal.

My first thought is a Pewter but post a couple photos of the mother in natural lighting

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The hatchling definitely looks like a pewter to me. Especially in the last photo but can't be sure! The second and third picture are making me second guess myself so I'm curious what other posters with think this is!


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I know I am probably WAYYYY off but she looks like Het Red Axanthic with something else.

ok so ill take a stab at it and say mom looks like a het red axanthic which would make baby a gargoyle but it has a lot of blushing
has the baby shed yet? if not then my guess is gargoyle
was mom paired last season? any chance of retained sperm? if yes then baby may be just a pewter

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

I know I am probably WAYYYY off but she looks like Het Red Axanthic with something else.

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we had to be typing that at the same time pit
but I see just a nice het red nothing extra

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Originally Posted by StillBP

I see just a nice het red nothing extra

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Was thinking along the likes of a Het Red Pastel? Not a great Pastel gene but that could still throw a Pewter.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

Was thinking along the likes of a Het Red Pastel? Not a great Pastel gene but that could still throw a Pewter.

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I suppose i could be persuaded to say she was a het red pastel but as you said not the best pastel i personaly dont see it but that could be lighting or camrea she looks very similar to my very nice het red
and if that baby just hatched still got to get his colors

OP to settle the is she pastel or not is a easy fix
pair her next season to a het red axanthic male
there is a huge difference in a hatchling het red axanthic and a pastel het red axanthic

If this helps at all from the tip of the mothers tail up to just over a foot she is extremely dark. Looks pitch black but up close in the light it she shimmers a blue/green. And the reason I thought she was a cinnamon other than she was sold as one is that her head to almost her mid section is a clone of my male cinnamon even in color. At least that's what it looks like to me.

And the baby has not shed yet.

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Originally Posted by stevely09

And the baby has not shed yet.

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Take a photo after he/she sheds in the best natural lighting you can get. Then maybe we can see what is what.