The eyes dont look good to me...shed?

I understand he is in shed but the thick white rings around the eyes... Also is it cinnamon?
Big pics attached. You can zoomhttps://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...6186e3efd7.jpghttps://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...cfdc0414e8.jpghttps://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...2cf1c99dcd.jpg

looks okay to me. also COOL scaleless head, you got any future plans for him?

Hmmmm it looks like a cinnamon to me but I could be wrong! I have a cinnamon girl that has big eyes like yours lol! And it just looks like a normal shed! I wouldn't worry about it!


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While the coloration of the eyes are normal for an animal in shed, the bulging eyes are not (at least they appear like they are bulging in the picture) where it is a birth defect or an issue with the eye who know it cannot be determine online.

Did you notice bulging eyes when you originally bought this animal?

^^^^^ Something is up with this animal. The eyes appear huge in proportion to the head.

didn't even realize how big those are are until you guys pointed it out.

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didn't even realize how big those are are until you guys pointed it out.

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I did not immediately catch it either. I was distracted for a few seconds by the fact it was a scaleless head.

wow thanks. is it contagious?
where i can read about it?

If I was to bet I would say it was born that way, but I am a little out of my comfort zone with that statement. Hopefully someone else knows.

Is it your animal? If so are there any earlier pictures?

Found this
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...ring-around-it

I dont know why I cant attach pics bit here are some more
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw...IydHRHQ3dFbWU4

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw...tIc0hzekY3QkRB

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw...c4X3lRS0dMbnZn


https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw...MwUU1NRW9QSmNn

When I get home later tonight I'll send you guys some pics of my cinnamon! She has the same big eyes! I'm pretty sure they're just born like that! But considering the super form has so many issues it's not surprising to see cinnamons with eyes and things like this.


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When I get home later tonight I'll send you guys some pics of my cinnamon! She has the same big eyes! I'm pretty sure they're just born like that! But considering the super form has so many issues it's not surprising to see cinnamons with eyes and things like this.


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Yeah, I looked at the OP's pictures and the eyes seem large in all of them. I have never worked with Cinny because of the superform issue so I am not sure what is "normal" with those guys. Add scaleless to that and who knows what is going on. Would be nice to see a good head shot of your animal and do a few measurements against a normal.

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When I get home later tonight I'll send you guys some pics of my cinnamon! She has the same big eyes! I'm pretty sure they're just born like that! But considering the super form has so many issues it's not surprising to see cinnamons with eyes and things like this.


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Can you please do that?
Because i looked around online cinnamon looks fine

Because there are defect in Supers does not mean there are defects with Cinnamon, this eye defect can affect any animal regardless of the mutation. It just happen.

Also doubt it is scaleless (just missing scales IMO) OP never mentionned buying a scaleless head cinny, even wonder if it was a cinny in the first post (usually those getting in scaleless projects know how to recognize a base mutation such as cinny and would not buy such a high price animal with a defect)

OP what did you buy this animal as?

Did you notice the defect upon purchase? Did the "breeder" mention the defect?




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What I'm thinking is the missing scales and the eye bulge could be from an old injury if something fell or was dropped onto the snake's head. No defect required.

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Nope! Your balls eyes have got me beat lol Her eyes aren't as big as your snakes but hers are still bigger than all of mine in my collection! And as for the whole eye thing being common in cinnamons I've only ever seen this in cinnamons! It's probably just a weird coincidence but I've seen some at shows with eyes the size of yours! But it's always been with cinnamons that's why I thought it might be related to the super cinny deal! But it probably isn't!


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Looks a bit what they call bug eyed, besides that nothing to worry about.

You can tell when they have stuck eyecaps from the rings around the eyes, of course it's nothing to worry about BEFORE a shed

@Deborah does that not look like a scaleless head to you? I sure trust your opinion

It was sold as scaleless head

@Deborah It was sold as scaleless head and no defect was mentioned. In fact i contacted the breeder and they said the scales missing around eyes and its little different thays why eyes are bigger and said to wait until shed over

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Looks a bit what they call bug eyed, besides that nothing to worry about.

You can tell when they have stuck eyecaps from the rings around the eyes, of course it's nothing to worry about BEFORE a shed

@Deborah does that not look like a scaleless head to you? I sure trust your opinion

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I was hoping it was not Based on the OP'S lack of knowledge on basic morph, I would expect someone that invest that much money in a project to be able to recognize a Cinnamon and pick a PERFECT animal.



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@Deborah It was sold as scaleless head and no defect was mentioned. In fact i contacted the breeder and they said the scales missing around eyes and its little different thays why eyes are bigger and said to wait until shed over

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Every scaless head I have seen even some with more scales missing did not have eyes bulging that much.

Compare pictures and you will see that the eyes on the guy are bulging a lot.

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@Deborah So yoi think children will come out like this too? Also you dont think its scaleless head whs line at all?

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@Deborah So yoi think children will come out like this too? Also you dont think its scaleless head whs line at all?

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Maybe maybe not, you can never tell until you breed it, but as someone who has invested a lot on single animal I only want to breed the best, I would never breed something that has a defect regardless of the value.

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Of course not if everyone agrees its a defect!

Thanks all!

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Of course not if everyone agrees its a defect!

Thanks all!

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Scaleless is "new". There is not enough data to know what is normal and what is problematic. There is definitely something going on with the eyes. It could be an incubation issue, it could be a morph issue, it could be a combination of morph issues. If it is a true problem I would say is unknown right now. It could be said that scaleless is a defect period. We deal with the defects in spider. We work around defects in other morphs. There is a chance that the problem, if it is one, can be bred out. The carriers would have to be destroyed though.

so he shed one nice shed but the eye...still white ring
please see pic here
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw...pBb3hLSjdsTmI0

by the way there was a bit of blood near his shed on the paper towel

Something I've noticed about the scaleless heads is the microscales where normal scales should be. There is a little bald spot, surrounded by microscaling. Other ball pythons don't have that. It appears to be a scale less head, but I'm no expert. The bulging eyes are however a problem. :( I don't think I would breed it. I would probably personally cuddle that snake as a pet.