Help me find a morph! - Blacks/greys/whites maybe?

Hi guys, as some of you know I got my first ball python at the end of Feb this year. Called him/her Noctis due to being nocturnal and being a nerd ;) I love him/her, he/she is roughly 6 months old now but I haven't had him/her sexed. I will do this later, perhaps when he/she turns 1? Is there a certain age to wait for?

Anyways heres some pics, maybe you can identify what Morph it is, I was told its a LesserBee or a SuperBee?? don't know but I'm happy. Comes across more yellow in the pics than he is

I just want to get another that is almost polar opposite. So darker colours like blacks/greys/whites

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...psvy2x13wz.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...s7yhijote.jpeg
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...shxfba1de.jpeg

I saw a picture of the "stormtrooper" BP but the price is just silly money. COOL THOUGH!

The first one that caught my eye is this ( Super mahogany?? ) http://pin.it/h4np5dN - I think the colours are so radical, it's cool! My question is, how rare are they, what sort of prices am I looking at? Also will they stay black? I read about browning and it makes me worried I'd not be as "wowed" by him/her

I then found this Black Pewter - http://pin.it/OLIcqom - I like the colour combo's but I worry about browning? I don't know how dramatic it really is, but hey.

What do people think of Blue/Black eyed Lucy's? They seem totally cute but not really tooooo different to Nox - If I did get a white BP it would have to be PURE white, no yellow bits or anything, is there such a morph?

Or a black axanthic? they look so aggressive but being BP its like a puppy :D

Anyways heres the last link for "reference" of what sort I'm looking at, I'm sorry for the rambling unstructured post. http://jdconstriction.com/collection/

Am I being unrealistic? I have no idea about pricing and other issues but hey, no harm in asking right? Do any morphs have issues over other morphs?

Again, sorry for the miss jointed post, I tend to ramble.

This is what I'm after if it was a BEL - blue or black eyed

http://s218.photobucket.com/user/abi...elucy.jpg.html


NOT keen on these BEL's

http://s218.photobucket.com/user/abi...dlucy.jpg.html

They just seem dirty and unhealthy to me? I'm sure its a beautiful snake, but not for me unfortunately. Just trying to clarify for people :)

If you want an all white snake a lesser mojave is probably your best bet

For pricing sake (as well as seeing the different versions out there):

Super Mahogany: http://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/rept...per%20mahogany

Black Axanthic: http://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/rept...ack%20axanthic

Cinnamon Mahogany: http://www.morphmarket.com/us/search...y=&layout=grid

Lesser Mojave: http://www.morphmarket.com/us/search...y=&layout=grid

Super Russo (White Diamond): http://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/rept.../super%20russo

Super Bamboo: http://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/rept...super%20bamboo

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For pricing sake (as well as seeing the different versions out there):

Super Mahogany: http://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/rept...per%20mahogany

Black Axanthic: http://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/rept...ack%20axanthic

Cinnamon Mahogany: http://www.morphmarket.com/us/search...y=&layout=grid

Lesser Mojave: http://www.morphmarket.com/us/search...y=&layout=grid

Super Russo (White Diamond): http://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/rept.../super%20russo

Super Bamboo: http://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/rept...super%20bamboo

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Well that ruined my plans hahaha :( The only "affordable" ones would be the lesser mojave and super russo - I should have said my max is about £500, purely because I would have to budget in another set up too, and as lovely as they are, I can't constantly play with it like a dog :P

Thank you for the very thorough reply, I will troll that site and see what I can find :D

I think the Siren is a good looking "darker morph" - it's a Cinnamon Huffman: http://www.morphmarket.com/us/search...y=&layout=grid


The Black Pearl too (though I didn't find any on Morphmarket) - Black Pastel/Huffman: http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...astel-huffman/


Price is dictated by availability, typically, and there just aren't that many of the darker morphs around. I'm a fan too, though, and have done some searching myself. Just gotta keep saving lol

I like both of those, do you know if they will stay black/dark? I'm not a fan of brown snakes


Also your avatar is amazing ;) Toothless is my fave.

It is possible to get a really white BlkEL

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r...psfyebvrck.jpg
This guy is a SuperFire possible Pastel, possible SuperPastel, possible Yellowbelly and he only had a tiny yellow spot on him by his head. His sister is pristine white. I am fairly certain it is down to both of them carrying at least one copy of the Pastel gene which seems to up the white factor on BlkELs

You can also try finding a SuperLemonback or SuperSauce as they both seem to generate high/all white BlkELs.


As for dark stuff... GHI Mojave and GHI BlkPastel might be a little more in your price range.

Thank you, he is lovely :) Just not quite white enough, I'm talking like paper white hahaha but I see what you mean, almost NO yellow :)

I just googled GHI mojave... I love it!

Glad I approached you guys, some super tips :D

Just an additional comment. I have not seen a ball yet that I consider a true black. There are balls that have true black in their pattern but not covering the entire body. Once again, lesser /mojave and lesser/ lesser are white. The other bell complex animals often have a yellowish hue and or have some yellow dorsal striping. The white of the white will be an albino lesser/mojave but this will of course have red eyes.

The black eyed white snakes are hit and miss with the total amount of pure white. I have an Ivory that is more white than my super mojave but I have seen plenty of Ivories with quite a bit of pigment. I have seen very white super fires but it is not odd to have orange on those animals as well.

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Just an additional comment. I have not seen a ball yet that I consider a true black. There are balls that have true black in their pattern but not covering the entire body. Once again, lesser /mojave and lesser/ lesser are white. The other bell complex animals often have a yellowish hue and or have some yellow dorsal striping. The white of the white will be an albino lesser/mojave but this will of course have red eyes.

The black eyed white snakes are hit and miss with the total amount of pure white. I have an Ivory that is more white than my super mojave but I have seen plenty of Ivories with quite a bit of pigment. I have seen very white super fires but it is not odd to have orange on those animals as well.

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Is this black enough for you? [emoji14]

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...uper-mahogany/

I really like that one myself. I can see quite a bit of potential there if they are all consistently that dark and maintain that into adulthood.


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Is this black enough for you? [emoji14]

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...uper-mahogany/

I really like that one myself. I can see quite a bit of potential there if they are all consistently that dark and maintain that into adulthood.


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Yeah, it's pretty black, and there is probably potential if line breeding with that animal could be done without defects. I'd love to see if it manages to keep its color.

Have you looked at some axanthics? maybe some 2 genes? I think a lot of them have the blacks/greys you're looking for, and I'm sure in your price range.

I love axanthics, will definitely be looking that direction for my next BP.

GHI Lessers are nice too
I would love to get one of those after I leave college.

What would an axanthic super mahogany come out like? Xx


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Thank you, he is lovely :) Just not quite white enough, I'm talking like paper white hahaha but I see what you mean, almost NO yellow

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I will see if I can get a pic of my holdback female this evening (assuming she is not in shed). She is hands down the cleanest white ball I have seen

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Once again, lesser /mojave and lesser/ lesser are white. The other bell complex animals often have a yellowish hue and or have some yellow dorsal striping.

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I am just curious, not specifically to you Dan, but to everyone saying that Lesser/Mojave and SuperLesser are the whitest leucistics out there, have any of you ever seen an adult of these? Every adult "white" BluEL I have seen has had a yellowish tint to it and often a discernible yellow dorsal stripe... This includes SuperLesser, Lesser/Mojave and Lesser/Russo. Whereas the couple white adult BlkELs (and even the white on adult BlkELs with coloured patches) have been very pure and clean.

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The black eyed white snakes are hit and miss with the total amount of pure white.

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This seems to depend on the lineage. Most Fires seem to be hit or miss on throwing coloured patches but Lemonbacks seem to throw all whites frequently. And Albey's Sauce line seems to do the same.

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I have an Ivory that is more white than my super mojave but I have seen plenty of Ivories with quite a bit of pigment.

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This is another direction I did not think of... I had an Ivory Butter Pastel that was pretty white. He had a faint ghost of a pattern if you caught him in the right light but for the most he was clean. My suspicion is that it was the Butter in him that cleaned him up.

"I am just curious, not specifically to you Dan, but to everyone saying that Lesser/Mojave and SuperLesser are the whitest leucistics out there, have any of you ever seen an adult of these? Every adult "white" BluEL I have seen has had a yellowish tint to it and often a discernible yellow dorsal stripe... This includes SuperLesser, Lesser/Mojave and Lesser/Russo. Whereas the couple white adult BlkELs (and even the white on adult BlkELs with coloured patches) have been very pure and clean."
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I currently have three adult white breeders. A Spider Super Mojave, a Lesser/Mojave, and an Ivory. I have had them since they were a year or less old and their color has not changed. The Super Mojave's degree of white changes according to where he is in his shed cycle. He get's "dirty" when close to shedding. The other two do not. My purple passions do not get "dirty" either.

As to Super Fires, I do not disagree. This is a line breeding issue that can be pushed one way or another over generations.

So is there a holy grail of WHITE Royals/Balls ???

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So is there a holy grail of WHITE Royals/Balls ???

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In my world there is. It's called a Cherry Bomb.

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I am just curious, not specifically to you Dan, but to everyone saying that Lesser/Mojave and SuperLesser are the whitest leucistics out there, have any of you ever seen an adult of these? Every adult "white" BluEL I have seen has had a yellowish tint to it and often a discernible yellow dorsal stripe... This includes SuperLesser, Lesser/Mojave and Lesser/Russo. Whereas the couple white adult BlkELs (and even the white on adult BlkELs with coloured patches) have been very pure and clean.



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I own many BEL morphs and in my experience the super lessers and lesser/mojaves are the only ones I've seen that can maintain pure white as adults. I've heard people say super russos are whitest but mine has yellow and any other one I've seen has faint yellow pattern too. I shared her in a black Light thread before I can try to dig up.

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I currently have three adult white breeders. A Spider Super Mojave, a Lesser/Mojave, and an Ivory. I have had them since they were a year or less old and their color has not changed. The Super Mojave's degree of white changes according to where he is in his shed cycle. He get's "dirty" when close to shedding. The other two do not. My purple passions do not get "dirty" either.

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I own many BEL morphs and in my experience the super lessers and lesser/mojaves are the only ones I've seen that can maintain pure white as adults. I've heard people say super russos are whitest but mine has yellow and any other one I've seen has faint yellow pattern too. I shared her in a black Light thread before I can try to dig up.

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Interesting... Every adult BluEL I have encountered has been more of a cream-coloured than pure white.

Here is my holdback female SuperFire possible Pastel, possible SuperPastel, possible Yellowbelly. She is going into a shed cycle so she has a bit of a pink flush to her right now
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r...psbk5gszld.jpg

I may start a new thread and include a poll to asertain which morph gives the whitest adults - just thinking what to call the thread !?!


Any suggestions ??

I got a reply from Exeter Exotics and they have the following snakes :) I so wish I had the spare cash right now, but having just bought a new car ( '17 370z Nismo if anyone is into cars ) I'm a bit on the low side for disposable cash

They have :
a Breeder Size Male GHI Mojave for £685.
a 2016 Hatchling Blue Eye Lucy (Super Lesser)... pure white, £250.And lastly I have just also got in another Lucy, again pure white, but it is a GHI Lesser Russo. The eye colour is more of a greyish blue. Again this is a 2016 baby Male... I have just got to work out the price on him but he will be closer to the price of the GHI Mojave.

It seems fairly priced to me, I just cant believe they are all male :( I just have to hope that Nox is female hahaha or keep the search going ^_^

I would have asked for pics, but I have no intention of going ahead with the sale at this point, I'd need to get a 2nd tank set up and also look into more things I might need in the future. Rather pamper one snake than have 2 neglected beauties.

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Originally Posted by kxr

Is this black enough for you? [emoji14]

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...uper-mahogany/

I really like that one myself. I can see quite a bit of potential there if they are all consistently that dark and maintain that into adulthood.

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Wow, that's beautiful. It'd be cool if they start popping up for sale in a few years, obviously they'd be very expensive but I think they'd be highly sought after.

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Wow, that's beautiful. It'd be cool if they start popping up for sale in a few years, obviously they'd be very expensive but I think they'd be highly sought after.

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One sold at March 2016 Tinley... $4000

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One sold at March 2016 Tinley... $4000

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I'm pretty sure Justin kobylka still has one for either 4000 or 4500 currently.