Panacur and Flagyy and Albon in Canada?

Hello, I need Panacur Flagyl and Albon to treat reptiles parasites in Canada, but can't find them for sale even though I have been told by zoos that they don't require a prescription and can be bought at farm supply stores. Only thing is I want ones specifically formulated and to be used for reptiles.

Can anyone point me in the right direction please?

Also what are the dosages per gram of weight?

Anyone? please I want to eliminate these parasites :(

Well, they CAN be bought, esp. Panacur and Albon, at least here in the US. I believe Flagyl needs a prescription.

Panacur is a brand name for Fenbendazole, and Albon is sulfadimethoxine.

The problem is, you can find it in different formulations and strength. The experts know how to convert a certain formulation to be used in reptiles.
I used to use all of these, BUT I got them from my Vet.

I don't believe in dosing without a actual diagnosis.

I know, wild caughts used to be dosed with everything (just in case) but no-one really cared if some were lost, because there were hundreds.

Certain medicines should only be given to well hydrated animals, the formulation and % (also per weight and / or species) need to be correct. They are all for different problems, too, do you know which issues you will be treating?

I know this is not the kind of help you are looking for, but unless you have absolutely no way to get to a vet because there are none at all where you live, I would never just treat "blindly".

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Also what are the dosages per gram of weight?

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This is a must have that will answer all your question on parasites, parasite treatment and dosage https://www.amazon.com/Understanding...tile+parasites

Great book I recommend it.

And of course generally speaking once a vet diagnose the type of parasite you are dealing with and which parasite treatment will be the most effective they will also tell you the dosage.

Its also quite fascinating to learn to use your own microscope to find issues. You can use it for all animals (and other things)

You have to learn how to prepare and read fecals, though, which "can be fun" ;)

Here's the deal, a vet has taken 2 fecal samples and diagnosed hookworms, strongyloides and isospora/coccidoa, but wont do ANYTHING about it! She wants to wait and basically only treat when and if he goes into a downward spiral and his health is in serious jeopardy. It's lunatic mode! Why not treat him not when he's still eating well and it's easier to give him dosages?

None of the vets in the area will prescribe without seeing him and I've already spent 300-400$ to have a vet diagnose the parasites and end up refusing to do treatments.

So, I need to find these drugs myself and do it myself. Also she wont tell my dosages or treatment regiments or intervals between treatments to end the parasites life cycles in his enclosure so I need to find all that info myself and do the treatments myself

Thanks for the book I will get a copy and use the information from there. But I still need to know if I can have Panacur and Albon shipped into Canada? I am desperate to treat for these parasites and rid him and his environment of them before it becomes a serious health issue.

Correction: Why not treat him when he's still eating well and it's easier to give him dosages]

Sorry mods, 2nd instance of double posting in this thread. I am sorry I just have an issue about correcting my spelling/wording mistakes plus I am wound up as heck about this situation lol

Amazon.ca (canadas amazon.com) carries panacur and metronidazole.

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B007R5...idazole+liquid

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Amazon.ca (canadas amazon.com) carries panacur and metronidazole.

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B007R5...idazole+liquid

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they're all sold in high concentrations right? How would I dilute them for use with reptiles?


Is there a certain solution I'd need to buy? Or does plain old water work for dilution? and if I can't buy the book Debmentioned right now, where can I find the dosages and treatment times as well as the proper intervals between treatments?


Does anyone know if there a re resources where I can see the life cycle times of the parasites so I can do one treatment to eliminate them internally and a 2nd treatment to ensure they don't reinfect him from his enclosure?

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they're all sold in high concentrations right? How would I dilute them for use with reptiles?

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Yes they are high concentration. You should figure out how much of it would be needed to dose your reptile and then instead of diluting it, just inject that amount under the skin of a f/t feeder and give that to your snake. I would try to find one with the lowest possible concentration to make overdosing less likely.

If your snake only takes live then you would need to dilute it with some water and a little Carnivore Care to buffer it - that's what my vet did when one of my snakes needed meds for a GI problem - and that would be tube fed to the snake.

Also I wouldn't give both at once b/c if you kill off too any parasites then a bunch can clump together and cause a blockage (at least in horses it does). I would give one medication, wait for two bowel movements, then use the other.

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Yes they are high concentration. You should figure out how much of it would be needed to dose your reptile and then instead of diluting it, just inject that amount under the skin of a f/t feeder and give that to your snake. I would try to find one with the lowest possible concentration to make overdosing less likely.

If your snake only takes live then you would need to dilute it with some water and a little Carnivore Care to buffer it - that's what my vet did when one of my snakes needed meds for a GI problem - and that would be tube fed to the snake.

Also I wouldn't give both at once b/c if you kill off too any parasites then a bunch can clump together and cause a blockage (at least in horses it does). I would give one medication, wait for two bowel movements, then use the other.

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Is it fine to buy the stuff meant for horses, dogs and cats?
Honestly, I have no idea how I'd determine the proper amount. Without buying the book Deb mentioned, which I can't right now, I have no idea what the dosages are and what the treatment lengths are, and what intervals the treatments can be done at.

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Is it fine to buy the stuff meant for horses, dogs and cats?
Honestly, I have no idea how I'd determine the proper amount. Without buying the book Deb mentioned, which I can't right now, I have no idea what the dosages are and what the treatment lengths are, and what intervals the treatments can be done at.

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Its not about whether its for horses, dogs, cats, etc.


Its usually the same medicine, just in different formulations. And bigger doesn't always mean more to give.

For an example, the same exact medication I have can be given to dogs and horses. Previcox. I have the dog version, and one pill is for a dog the size of a German Shepherd. If you give it to a horse, you give 1/4 of a pill to a horse.

Yes, a fourth of what you give to a dog. For an animal that weighs about 20 times as much as the dog. Different animals metabolize medicines differently. That is why it is SO important to do this with a vet. I used to give all these medications to the rescue snakes I had, but its been so long, I cannot remember the dosages or formulations. I know they were given orally, though.

Try to find someone that imports WC Ball Pythons. There are still breeders that work with imports. They are the ones that should know exactly what and how much to give, they usually treat all incoming animals, before even checking them...

I can't believe your vet refuses to treat your snake. It makes NO sense to do a "wait and see". These kind of parasites and protozoans never just "go away" on their own, that makes absolutely ZERO sense. Especially if he is infested with all these different kinds. Hookworms will kill a snake. At the least leave longterm damage in the intestine. The more I think about it, this is just crazy. I can't understand that vet whatsoever.

Here is what you do. Ask that vet to give you the records so that you can take them to another vet. They cannot refuse you. You paid for those tests and it is your prerogative to change vets. Then take the records to another vet and explain to them what happened and that you cannot afford to go through everything again. Be prepared to at least pay for a fecal, though, which shouldn't cost much. The new vet will give you the meds needed, in the right formulation, and amounts. Probably be cheaper then buying the large quantities you would have to buy online.

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Its not about whether its for horses, dogs, cats, etc.


Its usually the same medicine, just in different formulations. And bigger doesn't always mean more to give.

For an example, the same exact medication I have can be given to dogs and horses. Previcox. I have the dog version, and one pill is for a dog the size of a German Shepherd. If you give it to a horse, you give 1/4 of a pill to a horse.

Yes, a fourth of what you give to a dog. For an animal that weighs about 20 times as much as the dog. Different animals metabolize medicines differently. That is why it is SO important to do this with a vet. I used to give all these medications to the rescue snakes I had, but its been so long, I cannot remember the dosages or formulations. I know they were given orally, though.

Try to find someone that imports WC Ball Pythons. There are still breeders that work with imports. They are the ones that should know exactly what and how much to give, they usually treat all incoming animals, before even checking them...

I can't believe your vet refuses to treat your snake. It makes NO sense to do a "wait and see". These kind of parasites and protozoans never just "go away" on their own, that makes absolutely ZERO sense. Especially if he is infested with all these different kinds. Hookworms will kill a snake. At the least leave long term damage in the intestine. The more I think about it, this is just crazy. I can't understand that vet whatsoever.

Here is what you do. Ask that vet to give you the records so that you can take them to another vet. They cannot refuse you. You paid for those tests and it is your prerogative to change vets. Then take the records to another vet and explain to them what happened and that you cannot afford to go through everything again. Be prepared to at least pay for a fecal, though, which shouldn't cost much. The new vet will give you the meds needed, in the right formulation, and amounts. Probably be cheaper then buying the large quantities you would have to buy online.

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that's exactly why I am being so persistent in finding proper dosage information as well as treatment time and intervals between treatments. Because of the difference in metabolization between different species of animals.
I understand your point of going to a vet but honestly, my experience with reptile vets here is that they are useless. They usually don't know much more than I do and I have already spent hundreds upon hundreds of dollars for absolutely NOTHING. It's really really irking me.
And sadly they wont just want to do a fecal. I called the 2 "best" reptile vets within 50 miles and all of them want to see him, that's 100$ just to walk in, they want to examine him another 80$, a fecal that's 70$, and then meds could be anywhere from 30-50$ per vial. All of that ontop of the 200$ for the initial home visit by my vet and a fecal, plus another 73$ for another fecal that gave me the same results with no action taken by the vet.




At this point I'd just really rather do it myself and I wish there were better resources for people in my prediciment.

Try to contact Ball Python Breeders, or go to facebook pages that breeders and importers hang around on.

Be sure to mention that you already tried the Vet route, and it has gotten you nowhere.

btw. its not such a bad thing to get a good basic microscope, some slides, and a few other basics and then go have fun with it ;) As much fun as one can have with poop, LOL. You can do fecals on all your pets and your friends pets. Its fairly easy to do.

Some of the protozoans are harder to see/find, but once you get better at it...

As long as you don't "charge" your friends or make a business out of it, or claim to do veterinarian services, you are good to go.

I was going to do this, but I only have one horse. Horses are dewormed way to often, and its always better to do a fecal count before worming an animal.

The book Deborah recommended is a excellent starting point. One needs to understand what one is up against ;)