Favourite red(ish) morph?

Ok, so I'm a really big fan of blood pythons, mainly because of their red colour, however they are a little bit too big for me to keep right now. Unfortunately red colours seem really difficult to tease out of ball pythons. There are however a few morphs that can tease out red-redish orange tones. Mojave and enchi seem to be able to do it to some degree however the most noteworthy, well known mutation that comes to mind is the sunset. Well... here comes a new morph (or a new combo I guess). I know some of you have seen this picture already but I figured I'd post it here just in case some of us haven't. They are calling it the red ball, it is a double recessive combo of a hypermelanistic animal called the blackball and an albino.

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...-yellow-belly/

This is a really nice HGW mojave pastel yellowbelly

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/sunset-ball/

This is of course the sunset

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...pseyy9ryti.jpg

and here's the new guy beside an albino

So what is everyone's opinion? I'm very curious how everyone feels about the red ball.

I really like the HGW Mojave Pastel Yellowbelly...

I'm going to reserve judgement until I see more.

1. Sunset is still very new (relatively speaking) and we haven't seen it in very many combos yet.
2. As new as Sunset is, the double recessive Albino Black Ball is literally on its debut parade this week.

I have to vote sunset. I took that plunge in 16. And can't wait for my het male to get up to size. Now granted that albino black ball is smoking.

New Black Gene + Albino

http://i.hizliresim.com/brY5dV.png

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Okeyno

New Black Gene + Albino

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...m%2FbrY5dV.png

---

This is ridiculously stunning. :O

That pic has been color tweaked. The one above it with the normal albino next to it is more accurate to its actual color.

I'm REALLY interested in seeing how both of those develop. I've been thinking about wanting to add the sunset to my banana cinny enchi pied project if it will pop the red/orange factor, but that black gene might have something to it as well.

I really like when the reddish tones come out in the animals also. I am a sucker for contrast though. So the Mojave Pastel YB is the one that really suits my taste.

I understand why people like the Sunset, but I don't, not a lot of contrast going on. If I got involved with it honestly it would only be for the money. It does nothing for me personally.

This Red Ball thing I really don't like. Looks like a two year old got a hold of some orange water colors and smeared them on a normal albino.

I think the sunset's potential is less it the base gene and more what it will do in combos. It doesn't have much contrast by itself but we've yet to see the full potential of what carries over when it's mixed into other morphs. Other things I'd like to throw at it include cinnamon/black pastel, GHI , even just spider or pinstripe with a couple enhancer genes mixed in like enchi or yb.

i love the color on the Red Ball but agree that there is not enough contrast. it seems as if the colors are already bleeding upon hatching. i wonder if that is a symptom of the Albino gene or Black gene. usually i would say adding Enchi would clean it up, but Albino Enchi's tend to bleed a lot. Black Pastel Albino's are probably the cleanest Albino's and maybe adding Black Pastel would keep the lines cleaner, add contrast.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ax01

i love the color on the Red Ball but agree that there is not enough contrast. it seems as if the colors are already bleeding upon hatching. i wonder if that is a symptom of the Albino gene or Black gene. usually i would say adding Enchi would clean it up, but Albino Enchi's tend to bleed a lot. Black Pastel Albino's are probably the cleanest Albino's and maybe adding Black Pastel would keep the lines cleaner, add contrast.

---

I was thinking this too. A black pastel red ball would be wild.

Supposedly the black ball causes an overexpression of all the pigment molecules in the animal despite its black appearance. That's why the albino version is so red. That's what Micheal Freedman was saying anyway. If that's the case I'd love to put it into coral glow or even into sunset just to see if it makes those colour more vibrant.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by JodanOrNoDan

I really like when the reddish tones come out in the animals also. I am a sucker for contrast though. So the Mojave Pastel YB is the one that really suits my taste.

I understand why people like the Sunset, but I don't, not a lot of contrast going on. If I got involved with it honestly it would only be for the money. It does nothing for me personally.

This Red Ball thing I really don't like. Looks like a two year old got a hold of some orange water colors and smeared them on a normal albino.

---

I agree to a degree. I didn't like the first picture that was posted (the one that in my OP was released after) because it looked like a bad photoshop job. The one in my OP intrigued me quite a bit though. The black all itself however does nothing for me so I really need to see some other combos before making my mind up about it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ax01

i love the color on the Red Ball but agree that there is not enough contrast. it seems as if the colors are already bleeding upon hatching. i wonder if that is a symptom of the Albino gene or Black gene. usually i would say adding Enchi would clean it up, but Albino Enchi's tend to bleed a lot. Black Pastel Albino's are probably the cleanest Albino's and maybe adding Black Pastel would keep the lines cleaner, add contrast.

---

That's my biggest issue. It's a very pretty snake but I like contrast.

Of it remains like this it will be awesome, I am a fan of reddish, orange snakes so I guess we will have to see.

There has been many morph I was excited about as hatchling and then as they grew it was a let down so it all depends how it matures.

Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

Wow i had no idea about this albino black gene stuff thanks for sharing. I've never seen a ball python that red and all people wanna do is complain there isn't enough contrast.:weirdface

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by EDR

Wow i had no idea about this albino black gene stuff thanks for sharing. I've never seen a ball python that red and all people wanna do is complain there isn't enough contrast.:weirdface

---

it's all a matter of preference/personal taste. i would have the same criticism if that BP were green with all the colors still bleeding (instead of red). i like colors, i like contrast, i like cool patterns, i like flames and blushing on the right snakes.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ax01

it's all a matter of preference/personal taste. i would have the same criticism if that BP were green with all the colors still bleeding (instead of red). i like colors, i like contrast, i like cool patterns, i like flames and blushing on the right snakes.

---

That's fine I'm ok with that i get it. I was at work and had to make a quick reply and in hindsight realized my comment came off kinda rude. I didn't really intend to make people seem nutty for knocking the contrast with the weird face emoji. The color red is pretty new in the world of ball pythons so when I see one and people want to knock the contrast I can't help but feel that way a bit. To me if i produced a Bp that glows like a light bulb and right out the gate people want say oh there's not enough contrast or that's not natural i don't like it. I'm sorry but id tell that person to get out of my house lol just joking of course. I'm just trying explain a little better heck I agree the albino black gene could use more contrast but when do people come to Bp.net to show off red ball pythons? Hardly ever so yes I think it was pretty amazing to see his. That's just my personal taste. I do respect you and every one who thinks it needs more contrast no hard feelings guys.:gj:

I love the color red and I'm excited to see more of it in ball pythons. They're all beautiful, but I have a thing for dark snakes, so if I had to pick one I'd have to go with the sunset. Blackballs sound like they'd be a great thing to add to my albino project later on down the road though, and I've been meaning to add some mojave too.

@kxr Thanks for the post! I'd never heard about hypermels until now.

Its an amazing looking animal ! Time will tell how it maintains the color but its still an exciting gene combo

I'd be very curious to see how things go with the new red ball python. I didn't know an IMG-type BP gene had been found. I remember seeing a video interview of an old-time breeder (graziani maybe?) that had a very dark black BP in his collection, but he said that it was oozing what appeared to be melanin from some places and had been tested but never found an answer and that it never proved to be genetic. I had not heard of another similar gene that was being worked with.

In boas, there are a lot of people working with IMG and albino right now to create a similar snake. I know that albinos fade with age though, so it will be interesting to see what it looks like as an adult.

As for the sunset, it just looks too brownish to me and I suspect that it will very much brown-out with age, but again, it is so new, I'm sure there aren't many adult examples around.