Scaleless Project

What is everyone's thoughts on the Scaleless Heads and Scaleless Project in general. They've really grown on me.


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I haven't seen too much on it lately. If anyone has a picture of an adult super I'd like to see it. I was going to get involved with this and chickened out. Too many unknowns. I decided to chase Super Gravel instead.

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Originally Posted by JodanOrNoDan

I haven't seen too much on it lately. If anyone has a picture of an adult super I'd like to see it. I was going to get involved with this and chickened out. Too many unknowns. I decided to chase Super Gravel instead.

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Not a bad route for sure. I know that Winstons Pastel Scaleless male is now breeding, I'm curious how his super pastel scaleless female will breed later this year. I recently acquired a male scaleless head.


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i used to be in the camp of "snakes are SUPPOSED to have scales! this is wrong!"
of course i did some research, and came to my own conclusion that these are captive animals that are in no danger due to their genetics; they're not out in the wild where being scaleless would cause them harm. at most, they just need a bit higher humidity than their scaly brothers and sisters.

if it was in my price range i'd have a scaleless corn or beep in a heart-beat. at the very least i just want to hold one!

Not fan, hatchlings look good nd I like the, adult not so much IMO (I prefer scaleless rats and corns), but that's what's great about BP there is something for everyone.

If I am gonna have something in my rack it has to be something I REALLY enjoy looking at.

I was offered some scaleless heads and turn them down.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Not fan, hatchlings look good nd I like the, adult not so much IMO (I prefer scaleless rats and corns), but that's what's great about BP there is something for everyone.

If I am gonna have something in my rack it has to be something I REALLY enjoy looking at.

I was offered some scaleless heads and turn them down.

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You're exactly right. I don't think I'll ever breed for pure Scaleless, but I do love the color enhancement and clean patterns the scaleless heads provide.


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Honestly it doesn't really do it for me, at least not right now. Maybe once some cooler combos like the scaleless clowns (or scaleless sunsets :rolleyes:) are produced I'll change my mind but for right now the whole scaleless thing just doesn't appeal to me. It's not that I think there's something inherently wrong with breeding them they're just not for me. If I had the money and was looking to get into a newer recessive project I'd go for sunset or monsoon. Puzzle is also really high on my list but those other two are just a bit above it.

Honestly with all of the things that I've read about like missing heat pits and its general skin fragility, I just can't promote it. I also really don't find that it adds much to the appearance of the snake IMHO.

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Originally Posted by cayley

Honestly with all of the things that I've read about like missing heat pits and its general skin fragility, I just can't promote it. I also really don't find that it adds much to the appearance of the snake IMHO.

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That's been a misconception, they are not missing heat pits. The Scaleless only lack the scales over the pits. They still are very capable of heat detection. The protein channels are still very much in tact as well as the membrane that detects the actual infrared radiation. Just thought I'd clear that up.


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I've been curious about this too, they look pretty cool but I do wonder how they fare in the long run.

Oh, I forgot to mention that based on the NERD videos I'd be much more inclined to go for the micro scale stuff. Some of those microscale animals are just insane

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Oh, I forgot to mention that based on the NERD videos I'd be much more inclined to go for the micro scale stuff. Some of those microscale animals are just insane

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Now I do know that the microscale are missing their supralabial heat pits while Scaleless Heads are not. Could be what another person posted about. They are thought to be different in phenotypically but many think they do fall in the same complex.


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Originally Posted by MidSouthMorphs

Now I do know that the microscale are missing their supralabial heat pits while Scaleless Heads are not. Could be what another person posted about. They are thought to be different in phenotypically but many think they do fall in the same complex.


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Has a homozygous multi scale even been produced? I could see why people would think that they are in the same complex but imo they are definitely different morphs.

From what you mentioned the heterozygous scaleless head acts as an enhancer. That's the main reason why I like the microscale stuff. I haven't noticed it on the scaleless head animals (although I haven't looked at many) but those microscale are on fire! They also look like they'd have a different texture to them being softer and smoother despite still having scales. Almost akin to a leatherback beardie.


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Has a homozygous multi scale even been produced? I could see why people would think that they are in the same complex but imo they are definitely different morphs.

From what you mentioned the heterozygous scaleless head acts as an enhancer. That's the main reason why I like the microscale stuff. I haven't noticed it on the scaleless head animals (although I haven't looked at many) but those microscale are on fire! They also look like they'd have a different texture to them being softer and smoother despite still having scales. Almost akin to a leatherback beardie.


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They are indeed different morphs, much like Fire and Vanilla. Here is a pic belonging to Florida Reptile Ranch on the contrast of SH to non-SH. The non-SH pin on top and SH pin on bottom.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...2574eb1a92.jpg


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So what does the belly look like on these guys? I have become so confused on these guys. Are there belly "markers". That SH pin does look hot to me and I work a lot with pins.

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Originally Posted by MidSouthMorphs

They are indeed different morphs, much like Fire and Vanilla. Here is a pic belonging to Florida Reptile Ranch on the contrast of SH to non-SH. The non-SH pin on top and SH pin on bottom.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...2574eb1a92.jpg


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I'm not a fan of the scaleless head's head (as stupid as that sounds) but it definitely is an enhancer. The scaleless head almost looks enchi to me. It makes me really want to see a scaleless head enchi.


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My opinion about any selective breeding has always been it is fine as long as the animal doesn't suffer. The moment you realise breeding a species of animals, any animal, for certain traits is harmful you should stop. But my understanding is scaleless ball pythons are just as healthy as those with scales. Maybe they would be more vulnerable in the wild but as they are kept as pets it doesn't matter. By that logic people shouldn't be allowed white rabbits, rats etc because they would be more vulnerable in the wild.

Take a common pet for example, dogs. The King Charles Spaniels have been selectively bred so much their heads are often too small for their brain causing the brain to push on the skull causing pain, illness and death in many animals. That is wrong and those that continue to breed the dogs for those traits should be ashamed of themselves but if a pedigree dog breeder breeding a different type of dog has not come across any health issues in breeding their pedigree dogs I don't see a problem with it.

The same should apply to snakes as long as it doesn't cause them pain or suffering.

Although I think it's pretty cool, I'm not itching to have a scaleless snake.