First ball python in a long time

Hey guys! Haven't had any reptiles for a while and have been itching to get back into snakes was at nerd today in New Hampshire and couldn't resist! Was sold to me as a pastel enchi jungle, what do you think? Thanks!https://ball-pythons.net/forums/webk...87b4/imagejpeg

Welcome to the forum BD. :welcome:

Sounds like a great snake. The pic did not work if you tried.

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Good looking Ball, congrats! :)

Thank you! Do you agree with what morphs they listed? Really want to eventually breed him just to see what he produces...the tag specifically said "pastel enchi jungle thing " and I'm not too sure on how to identify jungle or if it has any other possible morphs


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Definitely a pastel enchi but to my understanding jungle is just a random pattern occurrence and not genetic. Now I could be mistaken. Anyway he is pastel enchi for sure

Welcome! And thanks for sharing your beautiful new animal, I love his head markings!
I noticed you're in Mass, I am as well. I'm in Ayer, about 20-30 minutes from Boston depending on rotary area traffic and about 15 minutes from Nashua, NH. I haven't been to the NERD shop yet, but would love to check out some of what they do.

Are you going to either of the expos coming up in April (Manchester) & May (Brockton)?

I was actually just at the last one in Manchester, got there late so didn't have much time to pick something out and didn't want to rush into making a decision but now that I know what I'm looking for (spinner fire) Il most likely go again! Unless I can find one more local, but that's a long shot!


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I was getting interested then until I realised you were talking Manchester in US not the UK :)


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Pastel enchi, not jungle.

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They could be talking about 'Jungle Woma'. I'm actually working with that gene, it's sort of a cross between a pastel / enchi / leopard. It gives the snake more yellow and breaks up and reduces the pattern. It's a co-dominant gene and there's a super form.

Jungle Woma:

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The super form is called a 'Puzzleback', it's Super Jungle Woma like the two snakes below. I'm actually trying to work this gene into some pied combos. Not many people are working with this gene or even know about it. It will be super difficult to know if you have it or not in a pied since the pied gene breaks up the pattern, will probably have to work with two super hets to be sure. Will have to prove out the super hets to make sure they are supers, then cross them to make the Super Jungle Woma pied, then cross with a normal pied to get Jungle Woma pied. Will probably take me 10 years to get there LOL.

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Pastel was known as Pastel Jungle back in the day when NERD first proved it genetic. It could simply be a reference to that history. Of course, and especially with Kevin and NERD, anything is fair game with morph naming.

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Pastel was known as Pastel Jungle back in the day when NERD first proved it genetic. It could simply be a reference to that history. Of course, and especially with Kevin and NERD, anything is fair game with morph naming.

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lol He is a trip. He is all over the place in his vids. He makes stuff up on the spot. I've never seen anyone pack so many genes into one animal. Some of them are so washed out looking I have no clue how visual identity is even possible. lol

I guess the only way to find out is eventually breed him and see what happens! Thanks for all the help guys much appreciated.


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Wait, did you buy this animal from directly from NERD? I've been watching this thread and the snake looks (in my opinion) to be a very spotted enchi pastel, but if it's from Kevin and he specifically labeled it "pastel enchi jungle thing?" I would definitely be more inclined to think there's more to it than just pastel and enchi.

Even Kevin doesn't know what's in most of the animals he produces, he throws so many genes in there it's practically impossible to tell with certainty lol. If I ever bought an animal from him breeding it would be a must, I'd just be too curious.

From zoo creatures which is his pet store, so I'm assuming he had his hands on it at some point and every other enchi pastel I've seen looks nothing like him, even the guy working there knew their was something different about him and was trying to avoid selling him, not sure what to really breed him with was thinking spinner fire but the spider gene scares me....now thinking dragonfly or some kind of leopard pastel. Just want something to bring the most out of him


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My advice would be breed it to what you like but i would probably include a single gene enchi, pastel, and a normal. Somewhere in there you will probably figure out what is up. No need to fear spider issues, but not going there is fine too.

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From zoo creatures which is his pet store, so I'm assuming he had his hands on it at some point and every other enchi pastel I've seen looks nothing like him, even the guy working there knew their was something different about him and was trying to avoid selling him, not sure what to really breed him with was thinking spinner fire but the spider gene scares me....now thinking dragonfly or some kind of leopard pastel. Just want something to bring the most out of him


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Very interesting. And he does look quite unique for a pastel enchi. When you breed him, I suggest pairing him with at least 1 normal female who's genetics are 100% known and at least one codon female who doesn't carry any of the males genes (i.e. enchi and pastel) and who's genetics are also 100% known, so that in at least 2 clutches you are 100% certain from which parent the genes came from, especially if something weird pops up. This is why normals and single gene females are still important :).

My picks of mates for him would be a Normal, a fire, an enchi and a yellowbelly.

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Sorry to bring this thread back to life but I'm seeing a lot of resemblance with him and leopard pastel enchis, it's killing me not knowing what he is! I can't wait to breed him but that is going to be a while, recently picked up a fire spider female!! They should make a nice pair, but here's a pic I found online of pastel enchi leopard https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...63082c5e7b.jpg


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They do look similar, especially the head stamps, but I wouldn't think your boy has leopard in him. Mainly for the fact that his pattern is pretty even and symmetrical, and his browns aren't dark enough; leopards tend to be very abberent in their pattern, at least in a couple places on the body, and they always have very dark (practically black) pattern that's very crisp. Also the white outlines on the alien heads are pretty absent in leopards. It may be possible (could be low expression) but I don't think so.