Genetic Belly Patterns

are there morphs with genetic belly patterns? i know YB belly sides, but is here anything more? what about the flat of the belly? everyone goes crazy over BP patterns, colors, dorsals and heads. why can't BP bellies be the next big thing?

i took out one of my BP's this morning before work for some belly shots. it's overcast and kinda stormy, the lights are on and i'm using my phone, but u can still see some of the golden colors she has on the belly.

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You know, I have been wondering kind of the same thing. All my enchi's have interesting belly markings. I have a normal who's belly is insane. One of the reasons i bought her was I had never seen anything quite like it.

Black belly, yb complex, spotnose are the only ones i can think of that have any semblance of a genetic belly pattern.

Black Belly, huh? looks kinda like a belly burn scar.
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that reminds me - remember the (fake) Strawberry Cream BP's?

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...ERRY_cream.jpg

Thank you Ax for bringing it up and 7 for the info. Didn't even know there was such a thing as a Black Belly. I'm thinking that there is a good possibility my normal may be that. Sure looks like it. I've been talking crap to my wife about that snakes belly for a year. I may win the discussion yet. Time to do a little more research on "Black Belly".

I have never seen a healed belly burn. Do they really look like that? It could be possible with my girl. I got her as an adult and she had not been well taken care of.

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Thank you Ax for bringing it up and 7 for the info. Didn't even know there was such a thing as a Black Belly. I'm thinking that there is a good possibility my normal may be that. Sure looks like it. I've been talking crap to my wife about that snakes belly for a year. I may win the discussion yet. Time to do a little more research on "Black Belly".

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your welcome. i try to spice up the forum with new topics and crazy ideas beyond the Why won't my baby eat? or Humidity Problem threads.

QUOTE=JodanOrNoDan;2510491]I have never seen a healed belly burn. Do they really look like that? I could be possible with my girl. I got her as an adult and she had not been well taken care of.[/QUOTE]

i don't wanna post (graphic) pix but the difference would be actual damage scales on a burned and healed BP. often the belly scales are split, tattered and there's dark scarring where the belly was in contact with an unregualted heat source. the Black Belly's belly looks kinda like light scaring in color and shape but the belly scales are immaculate or looks to have never been harmed.

Black bellies are a newer morph floating around. It's combination with pastel (yellow jacket I believe) looks really nice


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Black bellies are a newer morph floating around. It's combination with pastel (yellow jacket I believe) looks really nice


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Yeah, the yellow jacket looks nice. Hopefully this girl proves out but what actually comes out is going to be interesting. She was paired with a highway this year. The highway has some missing scales on his head so we know what I am dreaming about on this one. All of it will probably turn out to be nothing but it is a lot of fun thinking about the possibilities. If anyone has any more information on the Black Belly please let me know. All I can find so far is that they were originally produced by Outback but they are not working with it any more???. Also found a couple very expensive combos with it in it but no real details.

This is a picture of her from about six months ago not too long after I got her. She looks a lot better now. I need to get a belly shot.

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Yeah, the yellow jacket looks nice. Hopefully this girl proves out but what actually comes out is going to be interesting. She was paired with a highway this year. The highway has some missing scales on his head so we know what I am dreaming about on this one. All of it will probably turn out to be nothing but it is a lot of fun thinking about the possibilities. If anyone has any more information on the Black Belly please let me know. All I can find so far is that they were originally produced by Outback but they are not working with it any more???. Also found a couple very expensive combos with it in it but no real details.

This is a picture of her from about six months ago not too long after I got her. She looks a lot better now. I need to get a belly shot.

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Looks normal to me but you never know until you breed them :)


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Looks normal to me but you never know until you breed them :)


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Yup, I agree. Purchased as an adult normal for $35. Pulled her out of an enclosure with about eight other animals. Picked her because of her belly. I normally wouldn't buy an animal that way but I needed a mature normal very badly. She spent quite a bit of time in quarantine. She has actually become my favorite. Has the disposition of an angel. My kids love her. I have quite a few animals but my $35 normal is the one that gets all the attention.

I know that Leopards have belly pattern. I believe that Sables also have belly pattern. I have heard that some Sables do and some don't. I had a Sable that did have belly pattern and I have a captive hatched animal that might be a Sable, but he has a clear belly.

Fred Kick's gene called "static" produces babies with insane bellies and granite-type pattern in the alien heads that reduces to banding towards the tail. Definitely an interesting new gene that's made some awesome combos, check it out:

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All pics are from Fred Kicks website.


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Fred Kick's gene called "static" produces babies with insane bellies and granite-type pattern in the alien heads that reduces to banding towards the tail. Definitely an interesting new gene that's made some awesome combos, check it out:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...ce8208dc8a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...5e0d845ce8.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...35a9f9e234.jpg

All pics are from Fred Kicks website.


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I really want to see this combined with leopard. It's so similar yet it's different enough that I can't see it being the same... Either way I think that's a pairing that needs to be done. The same is true with the acid gene except I think the acid is closer to leopard then static.


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My guys got a grey chin, does that count?
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My new pied has a grey chin and my female het pied have a lot of grey smudging under her chin xx

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Fred Kick's gene called "static" produces babies with insane bellies and granite-type pattern in the alien heads that reduces to banding towards the tail. Definitely an interesting new gene that's made some awesome combos, check it out:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...ce8208dc8a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...5e0d845ce8.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...35a9f9e234.jpg

All pics are from Fred Kicks website.


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That's a pretty snake !!

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My guys got a grey chin, does that count?
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That's interesting.Nothing I have has a grey on it like that. What is it?

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That's interesting.Nothing I have has a grey on it like that. What is it?

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Just a regular ol pied as far as I know. Just picked him up last week. He doesn't have grey anywhere else -
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Just a regular ol pied as far as I know. Just picked him up last week. He doesn't have grey anywhere else -
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Ah, thanks. This explains why I have never seen this before. I do not have any pied in my collection. You are the second person talking about grey on a pied. Must be a common trait that I did not know about.

My new male pied has grey under his head I will get pics later. It extends down his neck about 1" or so on either side xx


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My enchi pied, Eclair, has a gray chin as well! (I'd get pics but she's in shed rn).

yep, my Pied's have the the grey under the chin/jaw as well. lol i call it a stubble. :gj:

Edit: alotta Spider combos will also have a stubble.

Wow ! I didn't know this was common in Pieds either ! I have a pied , and I noticed that grey on his bottom chin/neck , at first was worried about it , but then my fiancé made it seem normal sayin it must just be a " beauty mark " lol


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Just a pretty normal, he is my 14 year old daughters baby xx


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Just a pretty normal, he is my 14 year old daughters baby xx


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Really cool belly.

Thanks hun. He is a beautiful colour as well but won't be bred from to see if its anything other than a pretty pattern xx

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Originally Posted by Trisnake

Fred Kick's gene called "static" produces babies with insane bellies and granite-type pattern in the alien heads that reduces to banding towards the tail. Definitely an interesting new gene that's made some awesome combos, check it out:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...ce8208dc8a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...5e0d845ce8.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...35a9f9e234.jpg

All pics are from Fred Kicks website.


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This looks very similar to the acid gene ive scene. Wonder if they are diff lines of the same

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This looks very similar to the acid gene ive scene. Wonder if they are diff lines of the same

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Yeah, they look similar but from the combo examples they are doing different stuff. The Static Yellowbelly is awesome.

What awesome pics everyone is posting! Especially that static - very pretty.

My theory as to why belly patterns / colors aren't as big a thing as other elements of a BP's body is because it's literally the least visible part of the snake and in most cases, you have to stress the snake out and make it do something that it most likely doesn't want to do to see it (ie flip it over, hold it weird to get a good pic, etc.). With a good top pattern or crazy head pattern, you can see it 100% of the time without bugging the snake too much versus seeing its belly pattern maybe 5% of the time.

Anecdotal account: I have a pastel YB male that has the most awesome checkered pattern on his belly. I've had him for about 6 months or so and only flip him over to check on his scales and make sure everything is healthy - he usually corrects the flip pretty quick too. Other than that, I don't see those cute checkers as he isn't too keen on flashing his belly around for everyone to see.

tl;dr Cool belly patterns/colors are a bonus on an animal but aren't usually a selling point (unless it's aiding in identifying the morph as genuine) and won't be a predominant selling / buying point for most people in the future me thinks as it's not as visible all the time as other parts of the snake. Of course I could be horrifically wrong; just my possibly inaccurate prediction :P