Quick 6.

Jewel had 2 large rats today. One was a F/T and the other was a live refusal from the royal. I'm a tad upset because the rat did get a little nick in on her. Although she really made a mess of the rat as well.

I prefer F/T always but the royal is just so picky I don't have the time to go F/T with her. Believe me I've tried it all. Obviously she is so picky live isn't a sure thing either.

Anyhow, here is Jewel in her display cage. Almost all of these pictures came out far worse than I was expecting.

This is her 3D background. I think it is just awesome.
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She's a climber and did all of her eating from the perches.
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Here she is looking for a drink.
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Back on the ledge.
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She's pushing 7 feet now but still is very lean. She doesn't have the developed triangular, carpet head just yet. She is coming up on 4 years old, but I suspect she is still putting on a bit of length before she fills out.

Looking good as usual Gio! :)

Interesting about the head. My 2, 3.5 year old Coastals aren't developing a big triangle head either. They both have small triangles.

Now Lizzie, my 7 year old Coastal has a big Triangle head.

It will be interesting to see what becomes of our three still growing Coastals. :cool:

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Originally Posted by Reinz

Looking good as usual Gio! :)

Interesting about the head. My 2, 3.5 year old Coastals aren't developing a big triangle head either. They both have small triangles.

Now Lizzie, my 7 year old Coastal has a big Triangle head.

It will be interesting to see what becomes of our three still growing Coastals. :cool:

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Hey,

are the heads of your coastals a bit more flat as well?

Jewel has a very flat head (top). I read in Nick and Justin's book some coastals have flatter heads. It may have been a locale of coastal. I'll have to re-read it.

At the reptile store today, the male and female Bredli were enormous. Like boas constrictor sized big!

Thanks for the kind words!

Jewel is such a pretty girl Gio. It's nice that she can eat such a large meal and still maintain that slender figure :). I'm lovin that 3D background too.

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Originally Posted by Gio

Hey,

are the heads of your coastals a bit more flat as well?

Jewel has a very flat head (top). I read in Nick and Justin's book some coastals have flatter heads. It may have been a locale of coastal. I'll have to re-read it.

At the reptile store today, the male and female Bredli were enormous. Like boas constrictor sized big!

Thanks for the kind words!

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Yes, I'd say those two have flatter heads than Lizzy. But then those big bumps on each side of the head behind the eyes are not as pronounced either. You know, they are similar looking to venom sacs on a hot snake.

Looking closer at Lizzy and it appears those bumps/nodules/jaw muscles? add to the triangle shape when more pronounced.

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Lizzy, not the best photo for illustration. But those two raised nodules do cause a divot in the center. Hard to see here.

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Mack here showing a flatter head.

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This photo shows Etta's flat head pretty well.

Mack has a very similar head to Jewel.

I really notice the muscles on the sides and top of almost all albino carpets. It resembles two balloons on each side. And generally jungle carpets have very triangular heads. At least the ones I've seen. Obviously things differ from snake to snake, and age plays a role in the development of the head. But I do see variation between species. Bredli carpets have a very unique head too.

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Mack has a very similar head to Jewel.

I really notice the muscles on the sides and top of almost all albino carpets. It resembles two balloons on each side. And generally jungle carpets have very triangular heads. At least the ones I've seen. Obviously things differ from snake to snake, and age plays a role in the development of the head. But I do see variation between species. Bredli carpets have a very unique head too.

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I've never really paid much attention to albinos since I'm not into the morphs.

My Jungle does have a definite triangle head, small, but then she is just 2.5 years old.

I'm not a morpher either LOL!

Here are some "bottom of the barrel" shots. I was going to delete them but I guess I'll post them.

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You can see where the rat nicked her. I used a dab of Neosporin on that nick.

Blurry but I like her on that rock wall.
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I wish this one would have come out better.
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She's doing great, and I'm sure she could down a 2+ pound rabbit. These two large rats have not left as much of a lump as I thought they would.

She looks awesome Gio. Good to see she was hungry. I am also curious about the head shape. We have 4 coastals and a Bredli. 3 of the coastals have narrower heads like Jewel and they range from 4 months to almost 2 years old. However Isabel has a very wide triangular head and is almost 2 also. The Bredli is still young but she has the typical bulldog looking head haha. I don't know if it fills out as they age or if it is more genetic.


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She looks awesome Gio. Good to see she was hungry. I am also curious about the head shape. We have 4 coastals and a Bredli. 3 of the coastals have narrower heads like Jewel and they range from 4 months to almost 2 years old. However Isabel has a very wide triangular head and is almost 2 also. The Bredli is still young but she has the typical bulldog looking head haha. I don't know if it fills out as they age or if it is more genetic.


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Good observations.

I can tell Jewel is slowly getting a bigger head. I will re-read the coastal section in THE COMPLETE CARPET PYTHON and see what I find. I could swear there was a part about a certain locale of coastal that had flatter heads than other species and maybe other coastals.

I think they get wider as they age. 3.5 years is still very young and I think she is still adding length.

Keep me posted on what you see as your animals age!

Nice carpet and I like that background too. Just not a fan of Pro-Line cages but that's another story lol. But I did have a question for you regarding your BP. You said you feed HIM a large rat? How big is he? I've been feeding my 4.5' girl medium rats but I'm debating going up to large rats for her. Just not sure about a 250g rat for her. Also debating starting my 5' sunglow on large rats too so everyone would be on large rats and then just push the boas out to once every 3-4 weeks and then everyone else to every 10 days or so.

Really nice

Hmmm...note to self...inspect carpet heads next time I have them out! I do know my JCP has a triangular head, albeit smallish at the moment. I don't think Michonne (Caramel Coastal from Nick) has a flat head. I'll check in a few days since she just ate a large meal last night (refusal from the Royal,lol)

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Nice carpet and I like that background too. Just not a fan of Pro-Line cages but that's another story lol. But I did have a question for you regarding your BP. You said you feed HIM a large rat? How big is he? I've been feeding my 4.5' girl medium rats but I'm debating going up to large rats for her. Just not sure about a 250g rat for her. Also debating starting my 5' sunglow on large rats too so everyone would be on large rats and then just push the boas out to once every 3-4 weeks and then everyone else to every 10 days or so.

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I've never had a single problem with Pro-Line cages. They are probably the easiest to make into display cages because of the big door, but yeah that's another story.


I don't weigh the snakes or any of the prey items. She is about 4.5 feet long though.

VERY, very picky eater and she has eaten only once in a year before. Now she seems to be putting on some good girth.

I've been giving her large rats for probably 2 years. She's can take them easily but they are live and I don't like the risk. It is what it is though.

Everybody here gets large rats sans the retic.

The carpet and BC will take 2 pound rabbits as well. I typically have at least a month go by before feeding the boa, and the carpet will sometimes wait 2 months. She will also eat 2 large rats. She eats the most of them all. The carpet is about as picky as the royal LOL!

The royal does her thing. She gets one large rat whenever she wants. Usually every month or more but now and then every 3 weeks.

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I've never had a single problem with Pro-Line cages. They are probably the easiest to make into display cages because of the big door, but yeah that's another story.


I don't weigh the snakes or any of the prey items. She is about 4.5 feet long though.

VERY, very picky eater and she has eaten only once in a year before. Now she seems to be putting on some good girth.

I've been giving her large rats for probably 2 years. She's can take them easily but they are live and I don't like the risk. It is what it is though.

Everybody here gets large rats sans the retic.

The carpet and BC will take 2 pound rabbits as well. I typically have at least a month go by before feeding the boa, and the carpet will sometimes wait 2 months. She will also eat 2 large rats. She eats the most of them all. The carpet is about as picky as the royal LOL!

The royal does her thing. She gets one large rat whenever she wants. Usually every month or more but now and then every 3 weeks.

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Ok cool. Yeah I just feed Rosey(7') a 240-260g rat every 3 weeks. Vicky(5') gets around a 150g rat every 2-3 weeks. Dottie gets around a 150g rat a week too but I've been thinking of going up to a 200ish gram rat since a medium doesn't seem to really fill her up.

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Ok cool. Yeah I just feed Rosey(7') a 240-260g rat every 3 weeks. Vicky(5') gets around a 150g rat every 2-3 weeks. Dottie gets around a 150g rat a week too but I've been thinking of going up to a 200ish gram rat since a medium doesn't seem to really fill her up.

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I should weigh mine out to see the difference, if any in the larges we feed. I think your royal is probably a bit larger than my son's. I think she'll easily take larges if they are the same size as mine. My large rats are pretty big. Wallace would not be capable right now, but mediums are coming.

I'll weigh one tomorrow if I can. Don't forget about large quail!!

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I should weigh mine out to see the difference, if any in the larges we feed. I think your royal is probably a bit larger than my son's. I think she'll easily take larges if they are the same size as mine. My large rats are pretty big. Wallace would not be capable right now, but mediums are coming.

I'll weigh one tomorrow if I can. Don't forget about large quail!!

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Lol yeah, I'll probably pick up a larger size quail for Caesar next week. I also talked to the gal today and checked out her small gpigs. They are still a bit on the big side for Caesar.

And yeah, Dottie could probably take a large rat but I think I'll keep her mediums as she seems more consistent on feeding with smaller prey. When I give her large mediums, she sometimes skips a week or 2 like now haha.

And yeah you should weigh them just for comparison. I know Rosey eats about a 250g rat and Vick just ate a 205g rat tonight which filled her up nicely. And since dot didn't want to eat, I gave Caesar a 150g medium which he missed about 2 times as he is deep in blue. He sat there and I put it right up to his lips and he grabbed it haha. Think he kind of said 'ok screw this noise, hand feed me!! I'm in shed you fool and cant see anything!!" lol

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Originally Posted by Gio

Hey,

are the heads of your coastals a bit more flat as well?

......... I read in Nick and Justin's book some coastals have flatter heads. It may have been a locale of coastal. I'll have to re-read it.
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You have good recall Gio!

I was photo flipping through Nick's book today and came across the part about the Coastal heads that I had underlined.

He said that the Southern locale Coastals have the flatter head.

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You have good recall Gio!

I was photo flipping through Nick's book today and came across the part about the Coastal heads that I had underlined.

He said that the Southern locale Coastals have the flatter head.

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Well, that's interesting and I did re-read that as well.

Most of our coastals in the states are the Northern variety. Nick is one of few that has the Brisbane Coastals.

I'm certain my girly is a mix so maybe in the genetics there is something "south" in her LOL!

However her head is far from large. I guess Ill see if the girth and head size comes after she gets to be 5 years old. I have a feeling she'll be a slender adult with an average or smaller head for the species, but time will tell.

Yeah, I'm wondering the same about my pair of 3.5 year olds.