First BP.

I am so excited!!!!

First I got everything for my 20 gal. terrarium, still waiting for my herpkeeper pro. Set it up, and played with temp and humidity until everything was perfect. Temps going from 93 to 75 from hot to cold side, humidity on 55% to 66%.

Upload pics later. So I couldn't wait for a whole month for the herpkeeper and decided to go on a manual setup and bought my Kira!!! (that's her name) A spider BP supposedly, you'll judge that later with the pics.

She is so cute and curious and delicate and sometimes clumsy when I'm handling her, BUT when I put her on the tank she went for a walk arround, got for a min into the watter bowl, then she adventured into the cold side hide, then went to the hot side hide. She curled up tight in there on a corner and haven't moved since, it's been 1 night and 1 day.

I grabbed her just to see she was still alive and she was pretty kind of happy that I hold her, put her back in her tank and rushed to the same spot and didn't moved for the rest of the day.

Is that good? normal? bad?

Yes, she found a spot she likes and has camped out there. You'll find BPs are not very active. Nothing unusual about a BP spending days at a time in a comfortable hide. Lots of activity would indicate that the BP has not found a spot she likes.

give these a read for more insight into BP care and behavior

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...Husbandry-FAQs

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?127203-Ball-Python-(Python-regius)-Caresheet

Does she have a hide? Is she a baby? How long have you had her for? It's good that you have the temperatures all figured out beforehand, I struggled with them and was still adjusting them when mine arrived. :P

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Yes she's a baby, I've had her for 2 days and she has 2 hides, one cool Mayan temple (where she pass all day and night) and another sort of hollow structure that go along with the scenery. Each on every side of the tank.

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Thanks for the info... Very helpful!!! really

I didn't know I was for sale! ;)

On a serious note, congrats on your new snake! I can't wait to see pictures of the lovely lady~

Here is the set up, with a monsoon rs400, a couple plastic plants, a couple plastic hides (the left is her favorite) and a large vine, a 75W zoomed reptiles baskin lamp (left), and a 25W zoomed UVB bulb (right), coconut fiber and ultra fine tree bark. At the back and left side is a corner water pot.
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And now... Kira!!!
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After a fast glimpse on the outside:
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There she goes back to her favorite spot in the whole world...
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I set the monsoon to spray for a second every 20 min. and thats how i got to keep the tank between 55% and 65% of the humidity but this morning I got home from work I see the tank is fully soaked. But if I stop the spray for an hr. the humidity levels drop to 30%.

I don't understand that, probably I got the probes on a wrong spot of the cage? or the sensor is malfunctioning somehow? Any expert comment or advise plz!!!

For now I'll try covering part of the top.

By the way these are my other two babies, Nala a 12 yr golden lab, and Zelig a 1 yr Great Dane... :rolleye2:
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It's looking fabulous !!

It maybe worth trying a couple of branches / fake logs in there as they love climbing !!

Lovely looking set up though !


Gorgeous dogs , great choices :)


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It appears that your baby is in shed, that may be why it is hiding an awful lot. The opaque blue eyes. The dull color of the pattern. It's obvious that snake is in the process of a shed. I can't remember if it was it was your thread that said she was being nippy, but they do not like being handled during the shed process. Their vision is not as good, and they just wanna marinate in that humidity, until they are ready to reveal the pretty new skin. Keep the humidity at 65 to%70 as much as possible during the week of shed

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It appears that your baby is in shed, that may be why it is hiding an awful lot. The opaque blue eyes. The dull color of the pattern. It's obvious that snake is in the process of a shed. I can't remember if it was it was your thread that said she was being nippy, but they do not like being handled during the shed process. Their vision is not as good, and they just wanna marinate in that humidity, until they are ready to reveal the pretty new skin. Keep the humidity at 65 to%70 as much as possible during the week of shed

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I'd agree on everything above plus as soon as the colour returns and the eyes clear up there's a few days in between that and the actual shedding of the skin and that's the time to up the daily spraying of the Viv ..

Then after the shed it will look fabulous , be far more active and won't be as nippy / anxious ..


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Wow, that's a beautiful setup. I wish mine was more like yours, haha. :rolleyes:

I bought a Super Pastel Ivory BP the other day, I've been keeping an eye on the temps of the tank (40 gallon breeder) my warm side is at 90 right now and it usually ranges from 80 when i have the light off and 85-90 when the light is on. My cool side im having trouble with keeping the temperature where it needs to be, its at 71/72 but she spends most of her time on the cool side until yesterday I bought a hide for her warm side where she hide for a few hours then went back to the cool side im just a little worried the cool side temperature is too low.

beautiful snake, looking forward to some pics post shed! some great advise so far in this thread!

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I'd agree on everything above plus as soon as the colour returns and the eyes clear up there's a few days in between that and the actual shedding of the skin and that's the time to up the daily spraying of the Viv ..

Then after the shed it will look fabulous , be far more active and won't be as nippy / anxious ..


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Thanks for the info!!!!!

Just today I checked on her and the eyes were black so I looked for some shed. I got nervous cause I didn't know what was happening. These info really calms me down.


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Thanks for the comments, I see some interest on the display (much appreciated!).

It is all plastic, really inexpensive. For the hides I went to the aquarium side of the store, and pick a couple of decors that could use as hiding spots, just used a light sandpaper to smooth plastic chips from the edges. The other extra is a zoomed large vine folded in half and twisted. It's all in the lighting [emoji12]


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I just came home from work, and I went just to check on my girl.

I wasn't going to hold her because she was on shedding process, just to see where she was and what was she doing. I was very nervous because I wasn't sure if humidity was perfect for her shed and have read so much problems for shedding, etc. Remember it's my first reptile ever and obviously our first shed.

So long story short, I pick in her favorite hide and!!! I found my baby snake lying in her house next to a huge ball of gray knot of old skin!!! Awesome!!! She made a one piece perfect shed just overnight!!!

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God!!! her new colors are so bright!!!
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Look at those eyes!!!


Her skin is so smooth!!!
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Thanks everyone for all the good advices, and information, and everything... will keep posting some more fotos from time to time.

Please do share yours here!!! I love to see other snakes too.

Great news :)


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Today I'll try our first feeding session... I know she just shed last night, but what de hell my baby seems to like everything wrong I do. [emoji12]

I just hope she take it on the first try, that would be really nice!


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Today I'll try our first feeding session... I know she just shed last night, but what de hell my baby seems to like everything wrong I do. [emoji12]

I just hope she take it on the first try, that would be really nice!


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Frozen thawed or LIVE ?

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Today I'll try our first feeding session... I know she just shed last night, but what de hell my baby seems to like everything wrong I do. [emoji12]

I just hope she take it on the first try, that would be really nice!


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I love your setup and dogs and I also like your house interior! LOL

Good luck if you're trying f/t! Do you know what she was on before?

i'll try frozen that's what she was eating


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Great , mine all eat thawed frozen every offering .

The way I do it stems from mine preferring to strike feed from the security of their hide so I wait until evening time when they're more alert , turn the lighting off and dangle a warmed up rat in front of the entrance using tongs . They normally strike straight away especially as I leave the rodents thawing in the reptile room for hours before .

As long as they show interest , a sniff or a tongue flick I then warm up the rat for 10 seconds using a hairdryer then offer IMMEDIATELY whilst it's still warm . I do that as many times as it takes - sometimes 4 or more but they get increasingly interested each offering .

Good luck with however you go about it though !!


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Great , mine all eat thawed frozen every offering .

The way I do it stems from mine preferring to strike feed from the security of their hide so I wait until evening time when they're more alert , turn the lighting off and dangle a warmed up rat in front of the entrance using tongs . They normally strike straight away especially as I leave the rodents thawing in the reptile room for hours before .

As long as they show interest , a sniff or a tongue flick I then warm up the rat for 10 seconds using a hairdryer then offer IMMEDIATELY whilst it's still warm . I do that as many times as it takes - sometimes 4 or more but they get increasingly interested each offering .

Good luck with however you go about it though !!


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Thanks! Seems pretty straightforward, I'll try just the way you said it. Do you know any other way of heating the mice? (I don't have a hairdryer lol


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Thanks! Seems pretty straightforward, I'll try just the way you said it. Do you know any other way of heating the mice? (I don't have a hairdryer lol


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I know many dip in very warm water for a moment and dry on kitchen roll , others lie them on a spare heat mat for a few minutes in between attempts .
I always avoid soaking in water just because I'm guessing they lose some of their scent ...
You can buy a cheap 3 dollar travelling hairdryer off eBay or at a bargain store ...

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Thanks! Seems pretty straightforward, I'll try just the way you said it. Do you know any other way of heating the mice? (I don't have a hairdryer lol


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I use a bowl of warm water (just hot enough that you can still put your fingers in and won't get burned) for a couple minutes, and then dab them on a paper towel to get the soaking water off, and offer immediately.

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My god!!! it happened so fast!!!
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I'm so excited she is still trying to swallow at this moment!!!
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She was on her thing and then realized I was here and went running to her hide LOL!!!

She's still swallowing but she don't drop an eye on me, I'll move back and let her be...

Again thanks a awful lot for the splendid advices!!! BTW I did bought the hair dryer haha thought a good meal was worth some coins [emoji39]


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Is it just me or I can't get in my head: How do they survive in the wild?!?! I mean she stoke the legs (not a ver good bite if I may say) it wasn't the head or the neck lol! then she came out what? an inch out of her hide? she didn't spin a single complete turn for the killing hug, and two seconds later she was like: ok it's dead now it's time to eat [emoji23]

I've seen puppies more aggressive than this morderos killing machine hahahaha!!!

Definitely never gonna feed her live, I fear the mouse can eat my snake LOL! [emoji23]

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My BP refuses F/T and only eats live, but I think that's mostly because she's always been a live feeder. Feeding live does come with risks like rat bites, and if she would take F/T I'd only feed that. Glad to see that your baby is in good hands! I had a lot of issues with my setup when I first got my BP, even now it isn't perfect, but Calliope seems to love her home nonetheless.


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My god!!! it happened so fast!!!
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I'm so excited she is still trying to swallow at this moment!!!
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She was on her thing and then realized I was here and went running to her hide LOL!!!

She's still swallowing but she don't drop an eye on me, I'll move back and let her be...

Again thanks a awful lot for the splendid advices!!! BTW I did bought the hair dryer haha thought a good meal was worth some coins [emoji39]


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That's great news !!!

After hundreds and hundreds of strike feeding thawed rats and mice - on tongs - it still scares me senseless - it's just so sudden . I must lose concentration or something :)

The only thing I forgot to mention is that I put a little piece of card / cardboard down on the substrate just in front of the hide entrance -just to lessen the chance of them eating some bark with the rat / mouse .

The good thing now is that you been successful you will be more confident next time and even if it doesn't take it first time , just repeat the the warming and offering until it does strike .

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Is it just me or I can't get in my head: How do they survive in the wild?!?! I mean she stoke the legs (not a ver good bite if I may say) it wasn't the head or the neck lol! then she came out what? an inch out of her hide? she didn't spin a single complete turn for the killing hug, and two seconds later she was like: ok it's dead now it's time to eat [emoji23]

I've seen puppies more aggressive than this morderos killing machine hahahaha!!!

Definitely never gonna feed her live, I fear the mouse can eat my snake LOL! [emoji23]

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I totally agree , I also wonder how some snakes survive in the wild :)

All of my King snakes are 'drop feeders' where I open their viv , check which side they are , then place the warmed up rodent down on some card at the other end of the viv . They will quite often strike at mid air - nowhere near the actual rodent . They all seem to have great eyesight going off the way they follow my fingers around the glass front YET they seem so 'fired up' they take minutes to actually find the warm carcass :)

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My BP refuses F/T and only eats live, but I think that's mostly because she's always been a live feeder. Feeding live does come with risks like rat bites, and if she would take F/T I'd only feed that. Glad to see that your baby is in good hands! I had a lot of issues with my setup when I first got my BP, even now it isn't perfect, but Calliope seems to love her home nonetheless.


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Maybe worth trying a thawed mouse again using the trusted method shown above ??
Just takes all the worry away and someone even mentioned they're cheaper than LIVE ones , certainly more convenient .

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My god!!! it happened so fast!!!
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I'm so excited she is still trying to swallow at this moment!!!
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She was on her thing and then realized I was here and went running to her hide LOL!!!

She's still swallowing but she don't drop an eye on me, I'll move back and let her be...

Again thanks a awful lot for the splendid advices!!! BTW I did bought the hair dryer haha thought a good meal was worth some coins [emoji39]


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Here's a photo of my pair of HC Albino Royals in a synchronised feeding session :)

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I always wonder how snakes have managed to survive thousands of years without any arms or legs. It's simply amazing to me. My King also occasionally strikes at the air once or twice during feeding, but he's a great feeder, never refused a meal (not yet anyway). My BP almost never misses and usually has great aim and gets the head. Then there's my female corn snake, she's a dainty little eater most of the time. She will literally take the feeder off the tongs ever so gently and slowly lower herself to eat. She doesn't even try to constrict most of the time. It's almost like she went through some sort of upper class etiquette training for table manners! Hahahahaha!!! Makes me wonder how such a gentle, beautiful animal could survive in the wild.

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I always wonder how snakes have managed to survive thousands of years without any arms or legs. It's simply amazing to me. My King also occasionally strikes at the air once or twice during feeding, but he's a great feeder, never refused a meal (not yet anyway). My BP almost never misses and usually has great aim and gets the head. Then there's my female corn snake, she's a dainty little eater most of the time. She will literally take the feeder off the tongs ever so gently and slowly lower herself to eat. She doesn't even try to constrict most of the time. It's almost like she went through some sort of upper class etiquette training for table manners! Hahahahaha!!! Makes me wonder how such a gentle, beautiful animal could survive in the wild.

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My adult Amel Stripe corn is also a classy eater .
He will eat off my hand , he just slithers up to it and kinda slides though it in one motion rather like a whale swallowing plankton if that makes any sense :)
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My adult Amel Stripe corn is also a classy eater .
He will eat off my hand , he just slithers up to it and kinda slides though it in one motion rather like a whale swallowing plankton if that makes any sense :)
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Hahaha, I love it!! My girl is in shed right now, I haven't checked on her yet this morning, but I'm guessing her eyes cleared since I checked on her yesterday, so I'll be feeding her in a few days. I may try to feed her without the tongs. Something tells me she will still be super gentle about it. She only fed "aggressively" once, the one and only time I just dangled the mouse in front of her hide. Typically I will handle my snakes for a bit prior to eating. I know, not everybody's chosen method, but it has worked for me as well as each of my snakes. So I go with it...
I love the whale eating plankton analogy, btw!! Well said!

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My adult Amel Stripe corn is also a classy eater .
He will eat off my hand , he just slithers up to it and kinda slides though it in one motion rather like a whale swallowing plankton if that makes any sense :)
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Wow!!! what an awesome snake, love that color [emoji2]


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My BP refuses F/T and only eats live, but I think that's mostly because she's always been a live feeder. Feeding live does come with risks like rat bites, and if she would take F/T I'd only feed that. Glad to see that your baby is in good hands! I had a lot of issues with my setup when I first got my BP, even now it isn't perfect, but Calliope seems to love her home nonetheless.


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Glad to hear that man! I also find out I did something wrong every day, but Kiera seems to like it. I mean she did shed perfectly overnight, she ate the second I put the mouse in there. The reactions are good and that give me a little more confident each time.

BTW next shed and everything, I don't know if I should make the same mistakes to get everything to go so smooth and perfect LOL!I hope my Herpkeeper arrive soon, I don't like trusting these clock therm/hygro.


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That's great news !!!

After hundreds and hundreds of strike feeding thawed rats and mice - on tongs - it still scares me senseless - it's just so sudden . I must lose concentration or something :)

The only thing I forgot to mention is that I put a little piece of card / cardboard down on the substrate just in front of the hide entrance -just to lessen the chance of them eating some bark with the rat / mouse .

The good thing now is that you been successful you will be more confident next time and even if it doesn't take it first time , just repeat the the warming and offering until it does strike .

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The first two offerings I think she was still asleep, so I just sort of knocked her hide with the mouse. By the third time she was moving a lot in her there but not much I could see. The fourth time she had her head already out and just waiting for it, she went for it instantly.


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Maybe worth trying a thawed mouse again using the trusted method shown above ??
Just takes all the worry away and someone even mentioned they're cheaper than LIVE ones , certainly more convenient .

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I know they are more convenient, that's why I wanted to make the switch, but I always have to try at least five times before she'll actually eat it, and this last time the mouse split into two pieces in the middle (gross) I gave her live the following day and she took it instantly.


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I know they are more convenient, that's why I wanted to make the switch, but I always have to try at least five times before she'll actually eat it, and this last time the mouse split into two pieces in the middle (gross) I gave her live the following day and she took it instantly.


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It's kinda odd that it split though to be honest , I had that once or twice but son realised that I'd heated the mouse up in water that was far too hot and I'd probably part- cooked it - making them kinda explode . That's when I changed to the hairdryer method of heating.


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It's the first time she comes out to explore!!! [emoji16]

She's been out for a couple of hrs now, it's great to see her moving lol


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can someone explain why my BP suddenly seems so active? When she first arrived se stayed for days in a row at her favorite spot. I even got a camera that notifies movement, but no movement seen.
Until last night that she came out from 22:00 up to 00:30 and went back to sleep at her favorite hide.

Today it's 8:44 and she is here at the main glass very active going up and down and flicking her tongue like never before. I feed her every week, tomorrow night is time for another, temps and humidity seem stable and good as usual. I'm guessing she's hungry already? I just don't get why the change.

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Wow!!! This is the second time I feed my girl. As recommended last time I had de mouse thawing all day over his tank and at night I warmed it with a hair dryer and offered, WORKED LIKE A CHARM!!! After that she went to hibernate for a couple of days.

Today I was going to do the same, got the mouse early in the morning and placed it over her tank, she came right out and crawled to the top and flicked her tongue to the mouse, and flicked and flicked... [emoji15]she seemed starved!!! I thought what the hell if she wants it she can have it! cold as it was and all I opened the cage and put it close to her. And with a gentle, slow bite she dragged it to the bottom where she swallowed. Now she's out again!!! is she hungry? still? or was it too small for her? I fed her a sub-adult mouse, next is the adult and I feel it's to big for her.

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Wow!!! This is the second time I feed my girl. As recommended last time I had de mouse thawing all day over his tank and at night I warmed it with a hair dryer and offered, WORKED LIKE A CHARM!!! After that she went to hibernate for a couple of days.

Today I was going to do the same, got the mouse early in the morning and placed it over her tank, she came right out and crawled to the top and flicked her tongue to the mouse, and flicked and flicked... [emoji15]she seemed starved!!! I thought what the hell if she wants it she can have it! cold as it was and all I opened the cage and put it close to her. And with a gentle, slow bite she dragged it to the bottom where she swallowed. Now she's out again!!! is she hungry? still? or was it too small for her? I fed her a sub-adult mouse, next is the adult and I feel it's to big for her.

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You could show us a pic of the bump in her belly, thats the only way to tell, also, check for poop inside the hide, my babies do not go in when they poop inside

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Wow!!! This is the second time I feed my girl. As recommended last time I had de mouse thawing all day over his tank and at night I warmed it with a hair dryer and offered, WORKED LIKE A CHARM!!! After that she went to hibernate for a couple of days.

Today I was going to do the same, got the mouse early in the morning and placed it over her tank, she came right out and crawled to the top and flicked her tongue to the mouse, and flicked and flicked... [emoji15]she seemed starved!!! I thought what the hell if she wants it she can have it! cold as it was and all I opened the cage and put it close to her. And with a gentle, slow bite she dragged it to the bottom where she swallowed. Now she's out again!!! is she hungry? still? or was it too small for her? I fed her a sub-adult mouse, next is the adult and I feel it's to big for her.

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Make sure to warm the mice to a min of a safe temp. If anything is frozen or below their Heathy Body temp you can cause a serious problem. Especially if there is ice left in a fozen mouse. Regurg is bad and some go off feeding after. Also just because they will take it doesnt make it ok. Go by your snakes weight, age and schedule feeding days.

About the activity yes, thank you!!! there was a huge dump hidden in her hide. lol. It was kind of stuck to the hide, when I raised it I didn't saw it, was lil' tricky to find it.

And about the lump, here are some pics of the feed and of today, after feed...

BTW, she did these awkward move twice, is that her just helping her get the mouse down the chute or is that the unfamous spider wobble?
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This is just now, in my inexperience I don't see any noticeable lump on her.
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About the activity yes, thank you!!! there was a huge dump hidden in her hide. lol. It was kind of stuck to the hide, when I raised it I didn't saw it, was lil' tricky to find it.

And about the lump, here are some pics of the feed and of today, after feed...

BTW, she did these awkward move twice, is that her just helping her get the mouse down the chute or is that the unfamous spider wobble?
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...8f1064e5d2.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...c6d51e60af.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...913985793d.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...611661bdb5.jpg
This is just now, in my inexperience I don't see any noticeable lump on her.
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...487cb23712.jpg


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Thats just a healthy swollow.. Some go strait up and almost upside down hahahaha