Sand in bp mouth

Ok guys so heres the deal i just got this girl maybe 2 hrs agothe guy put her in a terrarium with sand. He said he just put her in there but she has a lot of sand all over her. I put her in a bath to clean off the sand and she is salivating like crazy theres sand coming out of her mouth and she seems to be wheezing. I don't know if there's sand in her windpipe or if it's because the humidity in the bath but I don't know if I need to take her into the Vet right away as it's $150 for an emergency visit today. Should she be ok and give her a day or so to see if it clears out or should i take her in right away? I have many other bps and i should have checked her over better when i picked her up so its my deal now but im not sure what to do. When she open her mouth it doesnt look to be to bad its pink and clear i dont really see any infection type stuff. I dont think being in the sand for a few hours (if ots true he just put her in there) would do this much damage so to speak. Any ideas? Or just head to the vet?

If he kept a BP on sand, he probably also didn't have the right heat / humidity going on.

Having a mouth full of sand probably didn't help things, either.

What you could do is dry her off and put her into a tub that has the right heat/humidity and also hides. I would put her on paper towel for now, as well. Unless things get a lot worse, I would take her to the Vet tomorrow instead of tonight. You also want to make sure the vet has some experience with reptiles/exotics. I don't think going late today vs. tomorrow morning will make much difference at this point.

Good luck and thanks for saving that poor girl..

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This just came out before i took her out of the water
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He also just informed me that she should be laying eggs in the next week or so!
sorry if this is in the wrong area!

I just put her in a terrarium for now. As all my bps are on my rack and i dont want to put her with everyone else😔
It has aspen bedding do you think i should take that out and do paper towels?

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If he kept a BP on sand, he probably also didn't have the right heat / humidity going on.

Having a mouth full of sand probably didn't help things, either.

What you could do is dry her off and put her into a tub that has the right heat/humidity and also hides. I would put her on paper towel for now, as well. Unless things get a lot worse, I would take her to the Vet tomorrow instead of tonight. You also want to make sure the vet has some experience with reptiles/exotics. I don't think going late today vs. tomorrow morning will make much difference at this point.

Good luck and thanks for saving that poor girl..

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Im thinking RI and the sand is just an extra little thing but I've never delt with it.

I would give her a couple days in a proper set-up and see what happens.
Really cant give a diagnosis on a stressed animal and the more you try to figure things out the more you will stress her.

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I would give her a couple days in a proper set-up and see what happens.
Really cant give a diagnosis on a stressed animal and the more you try to figure things out the more you will stress her.

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Ok i have her in terrarium just put a couple hides in for her. I've just never seen any of my bps like this so idk what is going on. And this guy said he hasnt noticed anything going on with her which i dont believe and then he dropped the "she should be laying eggs this week" on me and now hes not responding when i asked him about her previous set up and all that. So i just took everything out put paper towels down hides and everything is good to go so i hope shes alright.

I'm having trouble with the whole "she's about to lay eggs" deal. I'm new to the reptile world, but shouldn't that be a big no-no?

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I'm having trouble with the whole "she's about to lay eggs" deal. I'm new to the reptile world, but shouldn't that be a big no-no?

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Thats what I'm saying. Once i started questioning him on her previous conditions and everything he dropped that bomb and hasnt responded. He said she should be laying in under a week. Idk i hate that i got myself in this odd situation but at the same time glad shes not with him anymore.

Oh my.

That poor, poor baby.

She was probably on sand, without proper heat or humidity. Apparently she did get sand into her mouth. Possibly into her throat. Perhaps even her nose.

The open mouth and mucous is probably due to a Upper Respiratory infection. She also seems to have had trouble shedding, looks like her eye caps didn't shed off. Its good your removed the aspen. You don't need to add any dust to this situation.

Let her rest and de-stress a bit, but you will most likely end up having to take her to the Vet for some meds. But not tonight. See how she is doing tomorrow.

About the eggs..maybe she will and maybe she won't lay eggs. At this point I would take anything that former owner says with a grain of salt.

Make sure you follow strict quarantine.

And good luck !!

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Oh my.

That poor, poor baby.

She was probably on sand, without proper heat or humidity. Apparently she did get sand into her mouth. Possibly into her throat. Perhaps even her nose.

The open mouth and mucous is probably due to a Upper Respiratory infection. She also seems to have had trouble shedding, looks like her eye caps didn't shed off. Its good your removed the aspen. You don't need to add any dust to this situation.

Let her rest and de-stress a bit, but you will most likely end up having to take her to the Vet for some meds. But not tonight. See how she is doing tomorrow.

About the eggs..maybe she will and maybe she won't lay eggs. At this point I would take anything that former owner says with a grain of salt.

Make sure you follow strict quarantine.

And good luck !!

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Yea i was gonna get the eyes fixes up but i didnt want her to deal with more crap. So i hope she gets better shes really sweet. I just feel so bad she looks so uncomfortable�� gonna call the snake dr in the morning and hope they can see her this week.
Is there any way to know if she has eggs? Is it something that should look pretty obvious or would she need ultrasound or can you feel for them? Im not a breeder i just have a lot of snakes so i couldnt tell you if i suspect she is or not

As for quarantine i do have her in the loving room where the extra terrarium is... But i also have one of my first bp in the living room as well....should i move him up with everyone else until she is fixed up or should he be ok? Theyre in opposite sides of the room but idk

Behavior will tell you if she's going to lay more than anything else. Look for her to be inverted and coiled. Although sometimes momma can surprise you and just *suddenly* eggs.



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Behavior will tell you if she's going to lay more than anything else. Look for her to be inverted and coiled. Although sometimes momma can surprise you and just *suddenly* eggs.



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Ok well ill just keep an eye on her for any of that....or a random clutch i guess ha. Idk He said she was bred to a spider and now hes doing red tail boas 😒 so he needed her gone so who knows. I honestly hope she doesnt cause im not set up for babies but ill prep for it just incase.

Your girl is so pretty to btw! I love my pied.

Thank you! She's my gem. :)

Good luck with this poor gal! I'm glad you got her away from him.

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Yea i was gonna get the eyes fixes up but i didnt want her to deal with more crap. So i hope she gets better shes really sweet. I just feel so bad she looks so uncomfortable�� gonna call the snake dr in the morning and hope they can see her this week.
Is there any way to know if she has eggs? Is it something that should look pretty obvious or would she need ultrasound or can you feel for them? Im not a breeder i just have a lot of snakes so i couldnt tell you if i suspect she is or not

As for quarantine i do have her in the loving room where the extra terrarium is... But i also have one of my first bp in the living room as well....should i move him up with everyone else until she is fixed up or should he be ok? Theyre in opposite sides of the room but idk

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Respiratory infection can sweep threw a collection like wild fire. I would never have her in a room with my other snakes.. This could get crazy expensive if others come down with something. Put your other snake with the others and keep her 100% alone...

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Respiratory infection can sweep threw a collection like wild fire. I would never have her in a room with my other snakes.. This could get crazy expensive if others come down with something. Put your other snake with the others and keep her 100% alone...

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Ok ive never had to deal with this so im moving him up with the others now. Thank you

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Thank you! She's my gem. :)

Good luck with this poor gal! I'm glad you got her away from him.

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Thanks! I hope its not as bad as it seems:(

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Respiratory infection can sweep threw a collection like wild fire. I would never have her in a room with my other snakes.. This could get crazy expensive if others come down with something. Put your other snake with the others and keep her 100% alone...

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^^That is GREAT advice^^

Also, if you do maintenance around the snakes, always do the sick/new one LAST.

If you need to do something with your established snakes after you handled or maintained the new snake, wash and sanitize your hands first, and change clothes. Depending on the severity of the illness, I would even shower. One cannot be careful enough, esp. once illness is diagnosed !

Yea i just moved my pied up stairs with everyone else. So shes downstairs alone now. As far as her set up for now im getting a bit confused with how her humidity and everything should be for now...am i supposed to lower the humidity and temps till she sees a vet? Or what?

No, do not lower the temperatures !!!
If anything, you should bump them up a bit with a respiratory infection. Same with humidity.

However, if you have belly heat, you also don't want to make that to high and burn the poor girl.

Plus, at this point you aren't even sure yet what exactly the problem is with her.

Until you know more I would just keep her at the normally recommended temps and humidity, very clean environment (paper towels), low stress (hides, low light, little as possible handling)

Is she still sitting with her head up high ? Does she make any noises at all ? Is she yawning ? Bubbles at mouth ?

If possible, set it up to where you can watch her without her noticing it much. You want her to relax as much as possible, while being able to observe her as needed.

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No, do not lower the temperatures !!!
If anything, you should bump them up a bit with a respiratory infection. Same with humidity.

However, if you have belly heat, you also don't want to make that to high and burn the poor girl.

Plus, at this point you aren't even sure yet what exactly the problem is with her.

Until you know more I would just keep her at the normally recommended temps and humidity, very clean environment (paper towels), low stress (hides, low light, little as possible handling)

Is she still sitting with her head up high ? Does she make any noises at all ? Is she yawning ? Bubbles at mouth ?

If possible, set it up to where you can watch her without her noticing it much. You want her to relax as much as possible, while being able to observe her as needed.

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Ok I have her at the normal temps and everything.

She isn't sitting how she was she just moved positions in the last hour or so. She is lifting her head up for a few minutes at a time now, hasn't yawned since I put her in the bath to wash all the sand off and I cant see any bubbles. She still has her mouth a little less than half way. I can hear a light wheezing every so often but I haven't heard it in the last couple of hours.

Shes really not moved much from the first pic I loaded of her. I put a hide in for her she went about half way in and turned around puts her head down then lifts it up every few minutes.

I really thought there was just some sand stuck around her mouth the would wash off and everything would be good but no :(

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Ok I have her at the normal temps and everything.

She isn't sitting how she was she just moved positions in the last hour or so. She is lifting her head up for a few minutes at a time now, hasn't yawned since I put her in the bath to wash all the sand off and I cant see any bubbles. She still has her mouth a little less than half way. I can hear a light wheezing every so often but I haven't heard it in the last couple of hours.

Shes really not moved much from the first pic I loaded of her. I put a hide in for her she went about half way in and turned around puts her head down then lifts it up every few minutes.

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Yeah, something isn't right..

You could wait it out, but honestly, if you can afford it I would just take her to the vet. They can get a better look to see if she has a obstruction or a RI. And if they suspect a RI they can go ahead and take a culture while you are there.
While you have to wait on the result of the culture, they will probably start treatment with a "broad spectrum" antibiotic and adjust the meds as needed if that becomes necessary based on the culture result.

You can also ask about any possible eggs. They probably have a ultrasound machine or they could "feel" them.

I hate that the poor girl will go through more stress, but something is very obviously wrong and the sooner you start with meds, the better.

You could also ask if they can check for any "internal" nasties, such as worms or flagellated protozoan parasites (like giardia) . Not sure if they can, might depend on when that female last ate and if they can "swab" for it. She probably didn't have the best of care for a while and if she will get stressed at the vet, might as well have all bases covered while there.

I'm crossing fingers and toes that she will pull through and do great for you :)

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Yeah, something isn't right..

You could wait it out, but honestly, if you can afford it I would just take her to the vet. They can get a better look to see if she has a obstruction or a RI. And if they suspect a RI they can go ahead and take a culture while you are there.
While you have to wait on the result of the culture, they will probably start treatment with a "broad spectrum" antibiotic and adjust the meds as needed if that becomes necessary based on the culture result.

You can also ask about any possible eggs. They probably have a ultrasound machine or they could "feel" them.

I hate that the poor girl will go through more stress, but something is very obviously wrong and the sooner you start with meds, the better.

You could also ask if they can check for any "internal" nasties, such as worms or flagellated protozoan parasites (like giardia) . Not sure if they can, might depend on when that female last ate and if they can "swab" for it. She probably didn't have the best of care for a while and if she will get stressed at the vet, might as well have all bases covered while there.

I'm crossing fingers and toes that she will pull through and do great for you :)

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Yea I just hope they have some openings. Finding an exotic vet around here is kind of hard especially with snakes... I have called so many before just so I have one, but a lot of them don't treat snakes for some reason. So there's only one option that is close by so I hope its not hard to get in there on short notice.

Yea I hate to make her get stressed out even more but she would hopefully feel better in the end. But I think she's as comfortable as she can be for now. Poor girl. It makes me even more sad because she's so sweet.

Yeah if there is saliva around the mouth area, Definately a RI. The best thing now is to turn Temps up and goto a vet for meds. Or if you wanna cure her yourself look up videos online. There is a special medicine you have to buy and a humidifier.

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Yeah if there is saliva around the mouth area, Definately a RI. The best thing now is to turn Temps up and goto a vet for meds. Or if you wanna cure her yourself look up videos online. There is a special medicine you have to buy and a humidifier.

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Yea i have some f10 but not a humidifier so if the vet cant get to her soon im going to try that and see if it helps until they can see her. I hope i can just take her in tomorrow but if not i think im gonna go buy a humidifier

Yeah try to find one local but if not go on amazon and get one express 1 or 2 day shipping

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Im pretty sure they have some at petco and petsmart. I use f10 to clean my tubs so thats handy. If i had a humidifier now i would try it out but ill just have to wait till morning and go from there

Without knowing the history of this snake, getting the correct diagnosis first is important.

If you knew for sure you are "only" dealing with RI you could try home remedies. Not knowing what that snake went through, plus possibly being gravid, would make me choose a (good) vet in this case.

Either way, though, hope she gets better soon :)

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Without knowing the history of this snake, getting the correct diagnosis first is important.

If you knew for sure you are "only" dealing with RI you could try home remedies. Not knowing what that snake went through, plus possibly being gravid, would make me choose a (good) vet in this case.

Either way, though, hope she gets better soon :)

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Ya thats a good point. Idk ill know more in the morning and possibly run everything by a tech who can ask the vet if it would be ok to use the f10 if they cant see her soon. Or maybe they could squeez her in somewhere there's not many vets that kmow snakes in my area so getting in may be hard. But we will know more in the morning.
She haa stopoed lifting her head up tho and has gone into the hide so i think shes starting to relax a bit.

One vet says her condition sounds urgent another one says she would be ok for one more day...the second one has been practicing longer and can get her in tomorrow(tuesday) afternoon so i made the appointment and if she gets worse i will be taking her into urgent care.

How is the girl doing today ?

I hope she is hanging in there for you !!

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How is the girl doing today ?

I hope she is hanging in there for you !!

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I just checked on her she seems to have a bit more saliva/bubbles around her mouth this morning but she doesnt have her mouth open any more and i havent seen her liftting her head any. So i hope its not as bad as i think it is. She has a ver appointment at 2 today so ill know more then

Let us know how it goes !!

RI can turn chronic and get nasty, so its a good thing you are having her seen to get this under control. Make sure they do a culture while there.
Some RI's respond well to "wide spectrum" treatment, but some do not. And then you have to go back to get that culture and the whole deal will be dragged out and more stress on both of you. Better to just get it all done while you are there.

Rooting for you and her, let us know how it went :)

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Let us know how it goes !!

RI can turn chronic and get nasty, so its a good thing you are having her seen to get this under control. Make sure they do a culture while there.
Some RI's respond well to "wide spectrum" treatment, but some do not. And then you have to go back to get that culture and the whole deal will be dragged out and more stress on both of you. Better to just get it all done while you are there.

Rooting for you and her, let us know how it went :)

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Ok so not so good😟 i got medicine and everything but shes got a mess of issues. He didnt do a culture but she has RI , mites and beggining stage of mouth rot. She also has eye caps he believes to be from at least 3 sheds ago. She is going to be getting antibiotic injections, nebulizer treatment as well as warm bath daily until the next shed. She has mite spray for the cage and a mineral oil bath as well to help with mites. She is also very pale in the mouth. He says to give her 1-2 mnths for recovery with a small meal 2 times a week and lowering humiditiy to 20-30%. 😟 so $200 later hopefully she pulls through.
Ill post the pictures of everything he pulled out of her mouth:(
He also said she has a great disposition with everything they did and with what she has going on she is one of the lost well behaved snakes he has seen in a while. So thats good she has a good spirit.

Awwww the poor thing... Id make sure to let who ever that person is know what he sold you.. What a dirt bag if he purposely mislead you. If you were someone that didnt care and he didn't tell you the poor thing would of died. Maybe it was all ment to be.. I hope the antibiotic hits it on the head and the that snake gets a great life with you :gj:

Oh my...

Good thing you removed the other snake. Now that you know you have disease AND mites (which like to spread it) follow quarantine procedures to a "T".

I know your vet said to feed her small meals and often. But don't be to surprised if she won't eat. Being quite sick, the meds and the daily stress of handling and soaking might make her refuse.
Did he say the daily bath was to treat the mice or the stuck shed ? Or both ?

Best wishes for a quick recovery. Kudos to you for giving her every chance.

Shame on former owner.

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Heres pics from her visit today. She was a champ about the whole thing.sorry for the links tiny pic is being crazy.

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Oh my...

Good thing you removed the other snake. Now that you know you have disease AND mites (which like to spread it) follow quarantine procedures to a "T".

I know your vet said to feed her small meals and often. But don't be to surprised if she won't eat. Being quite sick, the meds and the daily stress of handling and soaking might make her refuse.
Did he say the daily bath was to treat the mice or the stuck shed ? Or both ?

Best wishes for a quick recovery. Kudos to you for giving her every chance.

Shame on former owner.

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Yea im glad i moved him hes one of my favorites haha.
He said she may refuse if she doesnt eat in a week from "last meal" to reduce bath time to a few times a week. But she's a champ i dont think she will have a problem. The bath is for both mites and the shed. He couldnt even see her corneas so she cant see much if any. I really hope she makes a full recovery she will be a fun girl to have. Bless her little heart for sticking it out.

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Awwww the poor thing... Id make sure to let who ever that person is know what he sold you.. What a dirt bag if he purposely mislead you. If you were someone that didnt care and he didn't tell you the poor thing would of died. Maybe it was all ment to be.. I hope the antibiotic hits it on the head and the that snake gets a great life with you :gj:

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Yea he FINALLY responded and he swears he had no idea. But he offered to meet up and give us our money back. I just hope its not to late with how pale her mouth is. So time will tell she seems like a trooper tho so im positive she will get through it.

Wow.

Man...that poor baby.
The picture with the bloody, mucousy mouth, that is just terrible.

What did they say about possible eggs ?

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Yea he FINALLY responded and he swears he had no idea. But he offered to meet up and give us our money back. I just hope its not to late with how pale her mouth is. So time will tell she seems like a trooper tho so im positive she will get through it.

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NO idea my "you know what".

Oh gosh, and you paid for her..
Yes, take your money back. Although if I had to meet that person again, I'm not sure I could keep from kicking his "you know what". What a "you know what".

You're already a saint for doing what you can to save this poor snake. If you can see the piece of poop liar who sold you the snake and not assault him you're a much better person than I am. I hope with all my heart and soul that your new snake makes a full recovery, which I think is entirely possible under your care, and you two have many years together. HUGE props to you!!

And I hope the jackass who sold him to you gets the karma coming his way real soon!

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Wow.

Man...that poor baby.
The picture with the bloody, mucousy mouth, that is just terrible.

What did they say about possible eggs ?

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I know terrible. But she sat there and it was like with every piece he removed she felt better she didnt try to get away or anything not once i fully believe animals know when theyre being helped and i think she knew the whole time it was a good thing.

He checked her said he doesnt feel anything but he also said she has really good muscle tone and can sometimes be harder to feel but with her health the way it is he doesnt believe she ever had any..which is great news cause i dont think she would have been able to handle all that.

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NO idea my "you know what".

Oh gosh, and you paid for her..
Yes, take your money back. Although if I had to meet that person again, I'm not sure I could keep from kicking his "you know what". What a "you know what".

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Yea. Unfortunately it was a dumb mistake so to speak on my part but with all the sand on her i really couldnt see the amount of issues she had going on. Only a $100 but still and honestly i probably would have still took her if i knew everything. I have 3 reacues now all normals. One is a very small 2 yr old male reaper, the other is a 3 yr old female ww call her big mama wendy cause i met the person at wendys to get her 😉 and now this lovely little lady who i hope pulls through who is now named Shanti (little girl at the end of the jungle book)

Shanti just goes well with her.

I'm really rooting for her and you. We all are.
She HAS to make it now.

Please keep us up to date regularly :)

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You're already a saint for doing what you can to save this poor snake. If you can see the piece of poop liar who sold you the snake and not assault him you're a much better person than I am. I hope with all my heart and soul that your new snake makes a full recovery, which I think is entirely possible under your care, and you two have many years together. HUGE props to you!!

And I hope the jackass who sold him to you gets the karma coming his way real soon!

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Aww thanks. Im a sucker for any animal i cant save them all but if i can help one you bet I'll try. Well in all honesty im just a little 25 yr old girl and he was a rather intimidating guy so i dont think i would try anything to begin with haha. The best part is my husband is working out of state and i have yet to tell him about this whole fiasco i got myself in. But he knows me so it shouldn't be a surprise.

I hope she does too. She has nice clean water bowl and new hides and a nice clean place to hang out and recover.

I love the name!! One of my ferrets is named Baloo after the bear in The Jungle Book because he's dark and almost looks like a bear cub, and he's a complete and utter goofball with a heart of gold.