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The last two times my Ball Python has eaten, several days later he has had very loose poops (at least thats what I am guessing they are?) that have been dark brown. He ate two live fuzzies on 7/12...last night I held him for about 15 minutes, but he was really wiggly, and I was trying to watch a movie so I put him back up. Today I notice this big pile of dark brown (could it have been regurge...what does that even look like,I have never had a snake do it?) in his cage...and his head area was near it...its also smeared on the side of the cage. Should I be worried? Please reply ASAP...I am freaking out. I have had snakes since I was very young...but he is my first Python, I have always kept Colubrids, and never had any problems like this...please help.

I am definitely not an expert, but I wouldn't think they would be likely to regurge three days after eating. Did it still look like what he ate, or different, like it had been processed (digested)? Maybe he has some form of diarhea? If it has been happening for the last two feed cycles, I would think an appoitment with your vet would be called for. Save the dark brown stuff in a small ziploc, with as much air out of it as you can manage, and take it with you to give the vet so they can see if he has any internal parasites. It wouldn't hurt to PM a couple of the really experienced guys; Adam Wysocki, RobertCoombs; to see what they say.

You should up the size of the mouse to a fully grown one now i think. How big is your snake and how much does it weigh.

Juliya, I would suggest taking a sample of the feces and bringing it to a vet for analysis to check for internal parasites.

WOW!!

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Originally Posted by Simplest_Mistake

He ate two live fuzzies on 7/12...

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You shouldn't be feeding live mice :( Very bad for your snake.

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hmmmmmm

-adam

I agree. If you haven't already cleaned up. Put some into a ziplock, and refrigerate it until you can take it to the vet's office. It's possible your dealing with internal parasites. In either case, relax and take a deep breath. :nirvana: You and your baby will be fine.

I'm feeling the need to break out that ruler..... :rolleyes:

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I'm feeling the need to break out that ruler..... :rolleyes:

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:floating: ..... wha? .... just making a friendly observation ;) .... :floating:

-adam

I'm not buying it mister!! There's no way a halo would fit over the horns. ;) :P

Its not my fault he will only eat f/t sometimes (he has only refused it twice)...it came down to live or nothing. And a fuzzy would not cause NEAR the damage a rat or mouse would. So back off, and don't pick fights with me.

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hmmmmmm

-adam

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I cleaned it up the second I saw it in there...I don't like dirty cages.

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

Juliya, I would suggest taking a sample of the feces and bringing it to a vet for analysis to check for internal parasites.

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I cleaned it up the second I saw it in there...I don't like dirty cages.

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Next time it happens(if it is internal parasites it will probably happen pretty often),I would clean it out, put it in a ziplock bag and bring it to the vet for testing. Intestinal parasites can kill a ball python if not treated. My first bp was an import that just so happened to be severly infected with internal parasites...had a runny poop one morning and it died that day (3 days after I bought it)... Better safe than sorry....

oh ya...if you want to do something ahead of time, try calling a few area vets to see if they can do a snake fecal(which they should). That will give you time to compare prices and such...

Hope that helps

My advice is to collect some poo from the next deposit and take it into the vet.

Nobody is blaming you for feeding live, and if live works then it works. You gave your snake what it needed and that's great. Whatever works for you and your snake, is what you need to do.

When I was cleaning up I saw a normal poo. Is there anyway he would have regurged? It didn't have any mouse parts or anything...but I mean...I found normal poo both times...so maybe it was regurge? What would it look like if it was already digested?

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When I was cleaning up I saw a normal poo. Is there anyway he would have regurged? It didn't have any mouse parts or anything...but I mean...I found normal poo both times...so maybe it was regurge? What would it look like if it was already digested?

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Hi Juliya, it is impossible to give you that diagnosis over the net. I would iterate what everyone else has already suggested: take him and a sample of the poop to the vet. I see that you are going into business of breeding and I wish you all the best. I think now would be a good time to get to know a vet :)

On a side note, I wouldn't take offence when Adam says something. If I wanted to get into the breeding business, what better source of information(free courtesy of bp.net) than someone who has bred them for years and years :)
Just my humble opinion. And good luck once again with your business :)

Ya...I noticed your snake is not sexed either. I would just find a good vet, wait to the next poop, and bring the bp and poop to get checked out. Sexing and a fecal should cost you around $70 or less.

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So back off, and don't pick fights with me.

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Huh?? I wasn't picking a fight, I was merely pointing out that not too long ago you posted ...

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You shouldn't be feeding live mice. Very bad for your snake.

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... and now you're feeding live fuzzies?

Some people not as nice as I might point out how hypocritical that is. ;)

Good luck with your snake. :D

-adam

I fed two live fuzzies ONE time. Seems like everything I post you have something negative to reply back about it. Sorry if I get defensive...thats just the way I am. I don't like feeding live, and I avoid it at all costs, but since my little Xerox is a baby, I want him to eat.

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Huh?? I wasn't picking a fight, I was merely pointing out that not too long ago you posted ...



... and now you're feeding live fuzzies?

Some people not as nice as I might point out how hypocritical that is. ;)

Good luck with your snake. :D

-adam

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I fed two live fuzzies ONE time. Seems like everything I post you have something negative to reply back about it. Sorry if I get defensive...thats just the way I am. I don't like feeding live, and I avoid it at all costs, but since my little Xerox is a baby, I want him to eat.

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Like I said, good luck with your snake! :D

-adam

LOL..thanks

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Sorry if I get defensive...thats just the way I am. I don't like feeding live, and I avoid it at all costs, but since my little Xerox is a baby, I want him to eat.

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First, let me say that I think that you are a very attentive owner who obviously cares very deeply for her animals. Your willingness to go out on a line and post questions despite possible negative feedback is evidence of that.

While you may notice I do not own a snake my sister is obsessed with hers and I feel like I may as well, as I agonized with her over getting her temps and humidity right, the excitment we shared when her first snake ate and her first perfect shed. We both researched all aspects of husbandry and care for her snakes.

One thing I can say as a pet owner, a mother and a teacher is that there is always room for more learning. To take an adament position sometimes closes your mind to new ways of doing things. IMO I feel that you should do what is best for you and your pet, if that means p/k or f/t then by all means that is what you should do. But there are also many successful ways to feed live from what I've read and advice I've heard. To be so condescending about feeding live you have to realize you may be offending or even throwing the proverbial gauntlet down to those who successfully do so. As with anything there is a good way and a bad way to go about doing things.

Never give up the opportunity to learn (or at least learn your oppenents point of view so you can better argue yours!). There are many people here with a lot of experience and who have successfully been breeding for years as well those who are new and all have something to contribute.

Just a bit of insight, so hopefully you won't get so defensive even while it may have been provoked... :P ;) :)

Happy posting all! Your friendly neighborhood peacemaker! :D

Thanks Wendy.

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To take an adament position sometimes closes your mind to new ways of doing things. IMO I feel that you should do what is best for you and your pet, if that means p/k or f/t then by all means that is what you should do. But there are also many successful ways to feed live from what I've read and advice I've heard. To be so condescending about feeding live you have to realize you may be offending or even throwing the proverbial gauntlet down to those who successfully do so.

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a hottie that's a smarty to boot!!! .... I'm smitten ;) :D :neener:

Great post Wendy!!

-adam

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a hottie that's a smarty to boot!!! .... I'm smitten ;) :D :neener:

Great post Wendy!!

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Well, at least all that post grad, work paid off! Somehow it doesn't take the sting out of those student loan payments though... ;) :D