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Making the cleanest black eyed leucistic
I was able to pick up a 0.1 Fire Spinner and am now in search of a 1.0 fire pinstripe as a mate. Has anyone been working with super fires crossed with pinstripes and/or spiders to reduce the spots for a cleaner white black eyed leucistic line?
I've seen one pic of a spider super fire that looked pretty clean. And I've seen the pinstripe latte BEL (super mocha) clean up the pattern of the latte BEL. And of course the white wedding (spied)...
Anyway, just curious if anyone has been tinkering with this.
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I haven't yet, but I have my 0.1 Fire and once I get my racks in a couple months I'll be searching for a mate as well and starting my breeding project with them in a couple years. I hope you get an answer from someone that has played around with this, I could use the info as well ^_^
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Given the tendency for Pin to act as a pattern retainer I would be inclined to think that a SuperFire Pin will display high orange
Flip side, the Spider tendency to imbalance pigment could help promote a high white super
From what I have seen, Pastel seems to result in higher white supers. And I suspect that Cinny/BlkPastel will make higher white supers. Additoinally, this past season I hatched out 1.1 BlkELs from FireFly x BellyFly, one is pure white and the other has a singe, lentil-sized pale yellow patch. Without breeding them out I cannot say what genes each is carrying but it is possible that one or both have YB so it is possible that YB will also act to promote high-white BlkELs
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It would definitely be interesting to see what pin does to the super fire. Pastel definitely consistently makes cleaner higher white black eyed lucy's, but that's all I know for sure. I don't think anyone has suggested lesser/butter but I would imagine it would increase white as well.
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Hmm... maybe a male firefly or superfly is in order 😎
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http://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/rept...-pythons/45704
Found a couple great Fireflys on Morph Market. Wish I had the money right now to snatch one up, hopefully I can find one like it in a month or two.
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Yeah, I'll be checking them out.
Right now I have a 1.0 Pastel Lesser and 0.1 Pastel Butter, hopefully I'll get some bright white BEL out of those. I also have a 0.1 Mojave Spider for him too. I'm excited to see what kinds of white snakes I'll be getting.
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Re: Making the cleanest black eyed leucistic
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Originally Posted by bait4snake
Yeah, I'll be checking them out.
Right now I have a 1.0 Pastel Lesser and 0.1 Pastel Butter, hopefully I'll get some bright white BEL out of those.
The only problem I see here is not knowing what is what in the outcome. I mean if you get a BEL then you know it is Butter and Lesser but if you get anything else you might have problems at the time of sale. Some people don't care but others will want to know for sure if its a Butter or Lesser gene.
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Not sure if the same could work with a super fire, but here's a super mocha bel with pinstripe.
http://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/rept...-pythons/27815
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Re: Making the cleanest black eyed leucistic
Nice pick ups I'm currently going to pick up a female het Russo :) on Sunday from Henry p
retro gaming pokemon for gbc/gba p.s. I've never played go nor shall i !!!!!
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Re: Making the cleanest black eyed leucistic
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Originally Posted by Trisnake
I don't think anyone has suggested lesser/butter but I would imagine it would increase white as well.
Interestingly this does not seem to be the case. I have a friend with a SuperSulfur Mojave. The animals has a high degree of marking, as is common to SuperSulfurs, all the Mojave did was make the markings lighter in colour
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Re: Making the cleanest black eyed leucistic
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That looks exactly like my spider pied 'white wedding'. Blazing bright white with jet black eyes, not a spot on him. He is one of my favorite all time snakes, can't really appreciate how cool he is until you see him in person! It will be interesting to see if my white wedding will produce all white wedding babies or if some will have a colored head like most spider pieds. I'm still a couple years away from breeding him though, my females are still too small for even breeding next year.
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I got to handle a white wedding last week. Truly amazing to see in person. Talking with the big breeder, he was saying even if you breed a white wedding to piebald, you'll still get spieds with markings and white weddings (and of course piebalds), that it's all just pure luck if you get a pure white one. I'd hope with generation after generation of white wedding breeding that eventually you'd get a lineage of white weddings consistently produced.
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I love superfires both the clean white and the yellow splotches i think both expressions in the extreme are desirable.
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not a Lucy, but all white Pieds like White Weddings and most Lesser Pieds are IMO the cleanest. they also don't develop (random) black spots like other Pieds. some BEL's yellow out over time whereas the Pieds maintain their whites.
Edit: here's my Lesser Pied girl Ruby.
baby pix:
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...%2FTBxXZE9.jpg
just last month:
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...%2FpKFd02s.jpg
she still gets really pink during sheds. :)
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That's a sweet snake Ax01!
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Stupid question... but does the lesser pied have blue eyes?
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Re: Making the cleanest black eyed leucistic
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Originally Posted by bait4snake
Stupid question... but does the lesser pied have blue eyes?
it's not a BEL (or Super Lesser), so no blue eyes. it's got black eyes and red pupils. :)
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Originally Posted by cletus
That's a sweet snake Ax01!
thanks! i got her from our very own Dave Green. :gj:
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Well, I went and did it. First I picked up a White Wedding (all white spider piebald):
https://i.imgflip.com/1mtznv.jpg
Then I couldn't help myself and got a Super Lesser 66% Het Piebald:
https://i.imgflip.com/1mtzgx.jpg
I haven't picked up the Super Lesser yet, but that white wedding... super clean. Just smokin'
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Re: Making the cleanest black eyed leucistic
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Originally Posted by bait4snake
So which is the whitest ?
Why get two whites anyway ? Breeding purposes !?
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Just wanted one of each, black eyed and blue eyed, because I could 😎
I could breed them together to see if the BEL is a true Het (the WW is a male, the BEL is a female), or just get another Piebald female for the WW and use the BEL with the lesser pastel male I already have. Lots of options.
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Re: Making the cleanest black eyed leucistic
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Originally Posted by bait4snake
Just wanted one of each, black eyed and blue eyed, because I could [emoji41]
I could breed them together to see if the BEL is a true Het (the WW is a male, the BEL is a female), or just get another Piebald female for the WW and use the BEL with the lesser pastel male I already have. Lots of options.
I don't blame you for getting them both :)
I have an unrelated pair of HC Albino Royals and I'm still tempted when I see a hatchling Albino for sale
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Very pretty BELs. Once I get my pied girl in and settled I think my next purchase will be a male fire of some sort for my BEL project. No rush, but my female fire is almost two years old now so if I end up with a hatchling they should both be ready once he's around breeding size. My female is a good eater so far, so I think she'll be ready when he is. Haven't got a recent weight on her as my scale was damaged in my last move, but I will replace it soon. Just haven't gotten around to it, what with getting my rack together and stuff.
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For those wanting to see the difference, on the left is the Super Lesser BEL and on the right is the White Wedding Spider Piebald.
https://i.imgflip.com/1nbfkz.jpg
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how do i ask my own question on the forums? help
help how do i post a question, am i now? idk
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