Hidden co dominant?

Hi all, I'm quite new to this and haven't been able to find a definitive answer, sorry if it's been covered.
Basically I bought a fire female yesterday, her parents were cos Mojave and a firemon.
I'm right in thinking no Mojave or cinnamon will be carried if it's not visible yes?
The other question is about cos mojave's, they are a line of Mojave sold here in the UK, they are listed on world of ball pythons.
Basically the cos Mojave and all of its offspring seem to have a green/grey colouring to the flank/Flame area, how can this be carried to all morphs, my snake is barely showing this yet but the breeder said there's a good chance she will going on the other snakes?
Maybe another subtle co Dom? Or something else?

The cos mojave is basically just another line of mojave and if the breeder is reputable thr mojave came from a cos mojave pairing. There isn't a 'hidden gene' as much as it is just another like akin to the many lines of pastel ( lemon, citrus, etc.) what the breeder is saying is that even though your mojave doesn't look like the traditional cos mojave, it can create cos mojave babies due to the lineage that the snake is from, i.e. A cos mojave pairing

Uhhu, I understand that part, it's the fact that my snake isn't a cos Mojave, it's father was. Mine is a fire but her and other non Mojave siblings seem to have gained an odd Flame colour...

The breeder actually thinks he see's co Dom granite in them, holds little weight without proof I guess...
I will get some pics up soon.

Your snake does not carry the mojave gene so any odd coloring is due to either the fire, a dinker gene or is just normal variation in the coloring of the fire gene.

Pictures are always the most helpful.

If your fire is not a mojave, the parents being mojave shouldn't matter, as far as I am aware. It's like the old tactic of selling normals as "pastel siblings", because other hatchlings in the clutch were pastels?

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...225_194130.jpg

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...225_194110.jpg

Pics don't really show it but on the above shot you can see a green tinge inside the curle, its was much much more prominent on the father and I was told in increases with age?

Can see it better here where she is going up...
Is this odd or a normal fire trait people?
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...228_113235.jpg

I believe it's an odd normal but hey you can always buy a proven fire and breed it and see if you get Lucy's ;)

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Only reason I think it can be is the lighter patches on the back but I have produced normals that were like this color and even some were really reduced patterns

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Lol, she is a fire we know that much, it has the head markings and in other threads people said she was a good example, the questions are if she carries any granite or dinker traits.

Here is a shot under different lighting.
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...8-16-02-12.png

i think u just have a reg Fire. the flames and coloration are all within the normal range for a Fire. if u are looking for Granite in there, that's just wishful thinking IMO. esp when the pairing only had 3 genes at play - (Cos) Mojave, Fire and Cinny. she's a pretty girl but i don't see enough to dink around with.

u can check out more examples of Fires here and see the variation - https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...hp?144634-Fire

Thanks, great reply. That's what I wanted pal. Looking forward to breeding her with a pastel as I'm heading for firefly's as my first breeding project hopefully next year!-)

Hi,

"Cos" is thought to be similar to fader but was from a different line ( the name references the breeder "Circle of snakes" ) I know this because I have a possible cos pastel boy. :)

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/f...astelboy01.jpg

Yeah the breeder mentioned he got the Mojave from circle of snakes directly, he was questioning the green in That snake and the fact it had carried over to various young regardless of morph... he seems to think it's very possible there is a unknown/identified morph in them, I'm expecting the colouration to get more vivid like with his older snakes carrying it...
It's interesting anyhow, like I say he suspected granite but who knows!-) maybe it's nothing but a splash of slightly unusual colour.

We have another fader/whiteout/super duper....

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

We have another fader/whiteout/super duper....

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Would you mind explaining this whole ordeal to me? From what I understand, some people just think it's line breeding whereas Kevin makes it seem like it is a co-dominant with a super form? (Fader in this case)

I know whiteout/super duper/etc. are considered different lines of fader but there is no base form of these 'morphs' correct? If that's the case, these morphs just tend to come and go in the same vain as the red gene in black heads?

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Originally Posted by Seven-Thirty

Would you mind explaining this whole ordeal to me? From what I understand, some people just think it's line breeding whereas Kevin makes it seem like it is a co-dominant with a super form? (Fader in this case)

I know whiteout/super duper/etc. are considered different lines of fader but there is no base form of these 'morphs' correct? If that's the case, these morphs just tend to come and go in the same vain as the red gene in black heads?

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that pretty much sums it up. kevin says its a monogenetic trait (like every other trait we call a morph) and it has a super form. Yet offers no proof of this claim. Others say it is polygenetic, where multiple genes play a factor in the trait. This seems to be the case looking at inheritance patterns and the fact it pops out of nowhere in multiple collections. Pastel is a monogenetic trait. How yellow/brown it is, the blushing, reduced or not the pattern is are all polygenetic traits that are controlled by multiple genes we don't recognize by themselves.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

that pretty much sums it up. kevin says its a monogenetic trait (like every other trait we call a morph) and it has a super form. Yet offers no proof of this claim. Others say it is polygenetic, where multiple genes play a factor in the trait. This seems to be the case looking at inheritance patterns and the fact it pops out of nowhere in multiple collections. Pastel is a monogenetic trait. How yellow/brown it is, the blushing, reduced or not the pattern is are all polygenetic traits that are controlled by multiple genes we don't recognize by themselves.

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Ohhh ok, thanks for the explanation. I appreciate it.