Lavander Albino??

So i bought this ball python from a "breeder" at Repticon in Tampa and hes not very well known. I am nervous that what i bought is not what i received because i called the person that sold me him at the show and he told me that he bred a normal Albino to a Pastel Lavander Albino and was able to get a visual morph. So that made me nervous off the bat because he does not understand how genetics work. Also he said that it was a "project" with his friend. I know it is hard to tell with hatchling's if it is a normal albino or a Lavander but i hope someone can help.
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Whoa! I would venture to say that is a lavender albino. The high yellow borders at the base of the alien heads leads me to that conclusion. Also the pairing of the parents. Amazing looking reptile. Congrats.

Welcome to why I don't like the idea of candino's and toffino's.

Regular albino and lavender albino are not compatible genes ( in that they can't produce a visual albino with one copy of each ).

Candy and toffee however can.

So the only conclusion I can reach is that his "lavender albino" is instead either a candino or toffino.

Check out the pictures on these four pages and see if you get what I mean.

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/candino/

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/toffino/

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...vender-albino/

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/albino/


All I can suggest is waiting and seeing how the colours develop.



dr del

The telling part to me is the whites on a normal albino appear more pure white than that.

ETA: LOL oops, I posted at the same time as dr del... In any case, it's not just an albino.

It's gorgeous! Congrats!

I'm so jealous :O I want one lol

That's a gorgeous lavender albino I love it so bright and vibrant and I finally bought one 3 months back I picked up a male lavender albino spider as I love spiders aswell and I find it a great combo I can't wait to see yours as it grows it has alot more white then mine and as I'm told that turns the lavender color

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Also the eyes are what tells them apart for me the normal albinos have nice red eyes sometimes pink and lavender albino and caramel albino have these darker ruby red eyes I find just gorgeous

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Not sure of the genetics, but I agree with the above poster.. the ruby eyes tell a story. It's not a normal albino by any means.

Gorgeous specimen!


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Originally Posted by dr del

Welcome to why I don't like the idea of candino's and toffino's.

Regular albino and lavender albino are not compatible genes ( in that they can't produce a visual albino with one copy of each ).

Candy and toffee however can.

So the only conclusion I can reach is that his "lavender albino" is instead either a candino or toffino.

Check out the pictures on these four pages and see if you get what I mean.

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/candino/

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/toffino/

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...vender-albino/

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/albino/


All I can suggest is waiting and seeing how the colours develop.



dr del

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Thanks Derek, i thought with the additional co-dominant pastel gene in the lavender albino in this case would make the offspring one or the other. (Lavender albino or albino). Definitely have to wait to see how the animal colors up though. Showing the differences like you did was enlightening. So would you say the albino and lavender albino are allellic (not compatible)?

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So would you say the albino and lavender albino are allellic (not compatible)?

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No. Allelic means they are compatible. Lavender Albino and Albino are not allelic and thus not compatible.

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Originally Posted by Eric Alan

No. Allelic means they are compatible. Lavender Albino and Albino are not allelic and thus not compatible.

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Thank you for clearing that up Eric!

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Originally Posted by Eric Alan

No. Allelic means they are compatible. Lavender Albino and Albino are not allelic and thus not compatible.

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I'm actually working on the toffino with a 100% albino female to a 100% double het toffee pie bald male and as I understand that would be still a 1 in 4 chance when dealing with allelic animals but that's from what I was reading is that true or should I get more or less toffinos that's what I want to know as I can never find much on allelics besides what morphs are so if you can send me a pm explaining it that would be awesome and very appreciated or even make a post explains allelics I just don't want to sidetrack this post

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I'm actually working on the toffino with a 100% albino female to a 100% double het toffee pie bald male and as I understand that would be still a 1 in 4 chance when dealing with allelic animals but that's from what I was reading is that true or should I get more or less toffinos that's what I want to know as I can never find much on allelics besides what morphs are so if you can send me a pm explaining it that would be awesome and very appreciated or even make a post explains allelics I just don't want to sidetrack this post

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Yes, you have a 1 in 4 shot at hitting a Toffino with that pairing. It's the same odds as any other het x het pairing. The allelic nature of Albino and Toffee doesn't impact how the odds will play out.

Here's a good article on the subject of allelic genes (known as "complexes" in the hobby): http://www.owalreptiles.com/geneticinfo.php

Here is a summary of the various allelic morphs within the BP complexes: http://www.owalreptiles.com/complexes.php

Happy reading and good luck with your pairing!

Thank you for the quick and helpful response

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Originally Posted by Eric Alan

No. Allelic means they are compatible. Lavender Albino and Albino are not allelic and thus not compatible.

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Eric, by being "not compatible" does that mean they won't produce eggs, produce deformities, or just plain "slug out". I did reference the OWAL complexes and genetics page. thanks.

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Eric, by being "not compatible" does that mean they won't produce eggs, produce deformities, or just plain "slug out". I did reference the OWAL complexes and genetics page. thanks.

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By being not compatible is just like sat I wanted to breed a visual vpi axanthic to a visual tsk axanthic their will not be any axanthics but double hets for both lines of axanthic

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By being not compatible is just like sat I wanted to breed a visual vpi axanthic to a visual tsk axanthic their will not be any axanthics but double hets for both lines of axanthic

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Oh! Ok so they will produce eggs and hatchlings but they just won't produce the visual. They will produce double hets. Specifically the albino x lavender albino cross. Ok, i'm familiar with that. Thanks. I seem to recall Derek referrIng to that.

Yea that's exactly how they should be and lethal combos and I heard another name for them would be the ones who always slug out or hatch and die shortly after due to under development or other complications such as kinking and what not

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Is it possible that they simply described it badly. i.e., when they said normal albino, they meant it was only a lavender albino, and nothing else; hence the reason they classified the other as a pastel lavender? This would make most sense.

Warren

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Is it possible that they simply described it badly. i.e., when they said normal albino, they meant it was only a lavender albino, and nothing else; hence the reason they classified the other as a pastel lavender? This would make most sense.

Warren

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That is certainly a possibility. The amount of misinformation that can come from a typically brief and distracted conversation at a busy show is pretty remarkable. Even when all parties involved have the best intentions, things can get lost in translation.

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That is certainly a possibility. The amount of misinformation that can come from a typically brief and distracted conversation at a busy show is pretty remarkable. Even when all parties involved have the best intentions, things can get lost in translation.

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This is why I always get the breeders info and talk to them after the show and before if I already had it but I also do this alot anyway to see what's up and what's for sale or will be for sale and mainly because I love hearing about projects because you never know when their will be that one animal you want and for a Great price

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