Desert Ghost Infertility

I know this has been visited a bunch of times, but the searches are not giving me the answer I need right now. Even though I just recently said I'm done, I have a trade opportunity for a few Leopard Geckos for a BP. I have two to choose from. Here is part of the listing with prices redacted. They are both females.

Tiger Het VPI axanthic, PH Jolliff axanthic & Ghost
Super Tiger Jolliff Axanthic PH VPI Axanthic & Ghost

I'm not familiar with Tiger, but it comes up as Enchi Desert on WOBP. The Super is a Super Enchi Desert. I could use some Enchi. The hets and possibles are just a bonus. I really can't use the Joliff as I work with VPI, but it's there. Maybe the ghost will prove out at some point.

Now, here 's the question. Is it Desert or Desert Ghost where the females are infertile? Will I be able to use these girls if they are Enchi Desert or are they just nice looking pets?

Thanks in advance,

Dave

It's 'desert' that has the trouble not ghost. Any desert female is a pet, including the tiger.

Also 'desert ghost' is totally different than ghost and not a combination of desert and ghost.

Yeah, both those snakes will just be pets if you do make the trade for either of them.

There is also a less known morph called the "Jolliff Tiger", which is a reduced pattern banded animal produced by Michael Jolliff. It does have a super form. From the looks of things, that is what is being listed for sale - not the Desert Enchi combo.

I forgot about the Jolliff Tiger, I bet you're right. Did the Jolliff Tiger ever really amount to anything? I just recall the name from a while back.

And for the record, Desert and Desert Ghost are related in name only.

Desert is the incomplete dominant morph whose females cannot reproduce.

Desert Ghost is the recessive morph that's quickly gaining in popularity right now.

That's what I thought so thanks to all that replied to this. I'll inquire about the Jolliff Tiger and see if that's what it is.

Dave

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Originally Posted by piedlover79

Did the Jolliff Tiger ever really amount to anything? I just recall the name from a while back.

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Not really. Every once and awhile I see one pop up in conversation, but that's about it.

Joliff tiger make very nice reduce pattern animals, but' it's nothing more than a genetic reduced pattern, I used to have a female Tiger Albino and now I have two of her offpsring (DH Albino Pied)

Once person still working with those is Will Bird however he just now calls them banded and super banded http://ectotherms.accountsupport.com/?p=824

Just heard from the seller/trader. These are supposed to be the Jolliff Tigers. He's sending me pics at some point. Is there any market for them or are they too far removed from the main stream?

Dave

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Originally Posted by AKA Dave

Just heard from the seller/trader. These are supposed to be the Jolliff Tigers. He's sending me pics at some point. Is there any market for them or are they too far removed from the main stream?

Dave

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A lot people don't really care about having a genetic reduced pattern animals and would likely not pay more for VPI Axanthic Tiger (matter of fact most people have no idea what they are)

While I like reduced Pattern animals in my collection I have not marketed any of my animals as Tiger DH Albino Pied or Tiger Albino, mainly because it confuses people and people are really only caring about the Albino and DH aspect of the animal.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

(matter of fact most people have no idea what they are)...

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Very true, especially if I am any indication. Tiger is very misleading IMO and WOBP took me down a completely different road, hence the original post. Thanks for the help on this one.

Dave

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Originally Posted by Eric Alan

There is also a less known morph called the "Jolliff Tiger", which is a reduced pattern banded animal produced by Michael Jolliff. It does have a super form. From the looks of things, that is what is being listed for sale - not the Desert Enchi combo.

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Beat me to it. A large number of genetic banded are called tigers in Europe. I would double check with the seller.

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Originally Posted by AKA Dave

Very true, especially if I am any indication. Tiger is very misleading IMO and WOBP took me down a completely different road, hence the original post. Thanks for the help on this one.

Dave

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Wobp is good for pictures. For actual information I would suggest you look else where or you might be confused about a lot of things.

Personally I think both animals are bad animals as you might be in some real trouble if you make an axanthic a few generations later and it's a different line than you think it is. Might have some heart ache afterwards or even worse an angry customer once they try to breed.