help identify please

ok here is the link http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=599011

now my question is....is it Colombian, I know the local thing is hard to tell apart but in the title he says Columbian but someone left a message asking if they were bcc or bci on his profile and he answered that they PROBABLY where bcc...im very confused any help is much appreciated

p.s. I am having a heck of a time finding a baby Columbian boa for sale from a trusted breeder I have been looking for days and all I can find is those big pet industries that I don't think I can trust any help on this would be much appreciated as well... thank you

KBK has some good looking Colombian boa babies. I think they just have females currently. They respond in a good amount of time and are very helpful. If it's a Colombian than its a BCC. You can find them on morph market website.

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KBK has some good looking Colombian boa babies. I think they just have females currently. They respond in a good amount of time and are very helpful. If it's a Colombian than its a BCC. You can find them on morph market website.

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that's weird... I thought Colombians were bci and Guyana and others were bcc (tru red tails) im looking for the smaller end "red tails" and the reason I was looking for a Colombian was because the average male is 6-8ft don't get me wrong I want a big snake but id rather not have one that is going to hit 10ft+ being this is going to be my first boa the only other snakes iv had are bps... thank you

The snake in that link is a BCI. BCC have a very red tail and generally get larger than BCI but take like twice the time.

You are right, Colombians are BCI. Guyana are BCC.

You will not find a "small" BCC. If you are looking something small like a dwarf boa, they are BCI. With that said, if properly fed, BCI and BCC are not going to grow fast. Boas grow very slow. My 6.5' BCI girl is almost 4 years old and honestly, I don't even notice how big she really is as I see her every day. Other people are like "omg that is a huge snake". She is pretty heavy as she is a female so she is thick. My sunglow BCI girl is about 5' and she going to be 3 years old in May. It will be very rare to find a BCI that hits 10'+. A BCC can do it but it will take years for it do that. I would guess somewhere in the range of 6-7 years if even that soon.

And generally boas are very mellow. Heck, Rosey my big girl has never hissed or struck anyone. About the only thing she does when someone else holds her is go into focus mode where she will do anything to get back onto me. Once she is back on me, she will look at whoever was holding her and inspect them lol. She's like my big puppy. Just have to interact with them a lot. When Rosey was a baby, I used to take her out all the time and hold her. I completely trust her. I can reach in and grab her face or tail or whatever and the worst she will do is turn away from me lol. Funny part is she was my pet store mutt, my first boa but she is my most special girl.

Also if anyone tries to sell you a morph BCC, be careful. Generally BCI are the morphs. People will breed in BCC blood to change the color of the BCI morph but to most BCC purists, that is sacrilege. If you are looking for a BCC, check out Star Shaffer on Facebook or you can ask Legacy Reptiles or Cutting Edge Herp. They deal in pure locality BCC and BCI.

Also what are you looking for as far as a BCI go? Are you looking for a morph? If it is not stated in the sale that it is BCC or Guyana or Suriname or Peruvian or Brazilian, then best bet is its BCI as BCC are more expensive except for some BCI morphs.

Also Boakid aka Richard Ceniceros has some really nice for sale. Maybe send him a message asking about any normal or cheaper hets.

Also I've seen Hec 1 aka hector Gonzalez selling lots of stuff too for a long time. Maybe check him out.

ShadowAceD aka Diem Marie sells very good stuff. I would trust her 100% for her stuff. I would bet she has a het that would fit you. She actually is starting to breed Scoria Boas too as well as Ryan something who I cant even remember his name lol.

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The snake in that link is a BCI. BCC have a very red tail and generally get larger than BCI but take like twice the time.

You are right, Colombians are BCI. Guyana are BCC.

You will not find a "small" BCC. If you are looking something small like a dwarf boa, they are BCI. With that said, if properly fed, BCI and BCC are not going to grow fast. Boas grow very slow. My 6.5' BCI girl is almost 4 years old and honestly, I don't even notice how big she really is as I see her every day. Other people are like "omg that is a huge snake". She is pretty heavy as she is a female so she is thick. My sunglow BCI girl is about 5' and she going to be 3 years old in May. It will be very rare to find a BCI that hits 10'+. A BCC can do it but it will take years for it do that. I would guess somewhere in the range of 6-7 years if even that soon.

And generally boas are very mellow. Heck, Rosey my big girl has never hissed or struck anyone. About the only thing she does when someone else holds her is go into focus mode where she will do anything to get back onto me. Once she is back on me, she will look at whoever was holding her and inspect them lol. She's like my big puppy. Just have to interact with them a lot. When Rosey was a baby, I used to take her out all the time and hold her. I completely trust her. I can reach in and grab her face or tail or whatever and the worst she will do is turn away from me lol. Funny part is she was my pet store mutt, my first boa but she is my most special girl.

Also if anyone tries to sell you a morph BCC, be careful. Generally BCI are the morphs. People will breed in BCC blood to change the color of the BCI morph but to most BCC purists, that is sacrilege. If you are looking for a BCC, check out Star Shaffer on Facebook or you can ask Legacy Reptiles or Cutting Edge Herp. They deal in pure locality BCC and BCI.

Also what are you looking for as far as a BCI go? Are you looking for a morph? If it is not stated in the sale that it is BCC or Guyana or Suriname or Peruvian or Brazilian, then best bet is its BCI as BCC are more expensive except for some BCI morphs.

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thank you very much sauzo, I am looking for a bci I would love to just have normal male for my first boa as you know I already have my cage set up and ready too go now im just looking for a little guy to put in it....hopefully I can get a puppy like yours buy who knows every snakes has their own personality. thank you for your help

Bah my edit time limit is capped lol. Anyways Diem Marie aka ShadowAced has some European line normals for $150-200. And i'm sure she has some other stuff. just let her know you are starting out and looking for something that is nice but not over the top nice lol.

No problem man. Also Taxcollector has nice stuff and Petro has nice stuff but I think he's done as I didn't see anything up for sale from him. I would check out Boakid, ShadowAced and taxcollector for sure as those 3 I know are reliable and sell good stock. Oh also can check with Matt Cook on Boa Constrictor Keepers FB page. He sells good stuff and is a good guy. Sorry for rambling lol.

Ok last one lol. Also can check Kristin Clark on Boa Constrictor Keeper FB too. She might have something but she had a baby recently and I think she is more specializing in coral sunglows now but maybe you can score one of those. Hers are freakin hot looking.

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thank you very much sauzo, I am looking for a bci I would love to just have normal male for my first boa as you know I already have my cage set up and ready too go now im just looking for a little guy to put in it....hopefully I can get a puppy like yours buy who knows every snakes has their own personality. thank you for your help

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Just let him settle in and get eating good and you should be fine. Boas are pretty inquisitive so he will probably be happy to come out and wander around once he feels comfortable with his cage.

ok I sent a invite to join the fp page... and thank you so much for all ppl to get ahold of I will have a full day ahead of me tomorrow trying to find the one I want...thank you sauzo!!!

No problem man and good luck. be sure to post pics of the new boy when you get him :)

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No problem man and good luck. be sure to post pics of the new boy when you get him :)

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one or two before he settles then tons after he settles lmao... thank you once again I have messages out to almost all of the mentioned names lol

Oh, sorry! Totally got mixed up! Definitely what Sauzo said. My apologies again (:
Can't wait for some good ol' snake pics.

Without locality data it is almost impossible to know what that is.

Sadly "Colombian" they spelled it wrong, is lumped in with everything now usually known as the "common boa" which can be mixed and matched with anything. The colors and pattern are often bland and faded.

Most boas from Colombia are BCI however there are BCC from that country. They are rare, but they exists.

My Colombian is a pure locality boa from Barranquilla. The area is a natural intergrade area where BCC and BCI can come together.

My animal is from Gus Rentfro. Vin Russo discusses the line I have and states they exhibit characteristics of both BCC and BCI.

The scale counts are very different from BCI.

Spending a few extra $$ and going with a quality breeder has pluses.

That's a Colombian boa.

http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/y...a/IMG_3177.jpg

http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/y...a/IMG_3273.jpg

The boa you showed pictured does have some rather prominent eye lashes which is a trait a lot of BCC have, but that may only mean the waters are clouded with many possible mixes throughout it's makeup.

There are a lot of honest, quality boa constrictor breeders out there that take pride in their breedings and keep detailed locality data.

There is nothing wrong with that boa you showed, but the animal is more than likely a mix/mutt. That's OK! My carpet python is a mutt. I love her.


Legacy Reptiles has the very line of Colombians that I showed you here. I actually bought mine from them in 2013.

The price is quite reasonable for such pretty animals.

Mutts are awesome!! Rosey is my mutt and I would trust her with any person or kid. I honestly don't think you could get her to bite you unless you really hurt her or you rubbed rabbit or rat all over you lol.

But anyways erebus45, check out those people I told you about. You can also check out some of the bigger "names" but along with those names is going to come a higher price. Doesn't mean the snake is better, just you are kind of paying for the breeders name too.

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Without locality data it is almost impossible to know what that is.

Sadly "Colombian" they spelled it wrong, is lumped in with everything now usually known as the "common boa" which can be mixed and matched with anything. The colors and pattern are often bland and faded.

Most boas from Colombia are BCI however there are BCC from that country. They are rare, but they exists.

My Colombian is a pure locality boa from Barranquilla. The area is a natural intergrade area where BCC and BCI can come together.

My animal is from Gus Rentfro. Vin Russo discusses the line I have and states they exhibit characteristics of both BCC and BCI.

The scale counts are very different from BCI.

Spending a few extra $$ and going with a quality breeder has pluses.

That's a Colombian boa.

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...2FIMG_3177.jpg

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...2FIMG_3273.jpg

The boa you showed pictured does have some rather prominent eye lashes which is a trait a lot of BCC have, but that may only mean the waters are clouded with many possible mixes throughout it's makeup.

There are a lot of honest, quality boa constrictor breeders out there that take pride in their breedings and keep detailed locality data.

There is nothing wrong with that boa you showed, but the animal is more than likely a mix/mutt. That's OK! My carpet python is a mutt. I love her.


Legacy Reptiles has the very line of Colombians that I showed you here. I actually bought mine from them in 2013.

The price is quite reasonable for such pretty animals.

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I think he was more concerned with the source for the boa as in he doesn't want to get ripped off. The people I listed are all trustworthy guys and gal who will sell you what they list.

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I think he was more concerned with the source for the boa as in he doesn't want to get ripped off. The people I listed are all trustworthy guys and gal who will sell you what they list.

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I know those names are trustworthy because I've listed all of them here before :D

His source is fine if he is buying that particular boa for $60. That is a low price and if he's not promised anything that is special and likes the animal why not?

That said the "source" needs a bit of a brush up on some fairly elementary knowledge about boa constrictors.

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p.s. I am having a heck of a time finding a baby Columbian boa for sale from a trusted breeder I have been looking for days and all I can find is those big pet industries that I don't think I can trust any help on this would be much appreciated as well... thank you

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Also keep in mind, it's currently breeding season for boas (Oct-Feb) so babies will becoming available around Apr-July time. Not a lot of young babies out right now.
There are many wonderful hobby breeders out there. I know quite a few in my area (CA) and a few mentioned already in this thread are good (like Diem). Have you tried going through your local herp society for local contacts? Quite a few hobby breeders have litters but don't have websites set up. Good luck! Boas are great.
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Also keep in mind, it's currently breeding season for boas (Oct-Feb) so babies will becoming available around Apr-July time. Not a lot of young babies out right now.
There are many wonderful hobby breeders out there. I know quite a few in my area (CA) and a few mentioned already in this thread are good (like Diem). Have you tried going through your local herp society for local contacts? Quite a few hobby breeders have litters but don't have websites set up. Good luck! Boas are great.
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Let's add Tom McCarthy (McCarthy Boas) to the list. Tom is 100% straight up GREAT guy. Honest, and genuine.

He has nice boas and some beautiful Belem, Brazil BCC.
http://www.mccarthyboas.com/home.html

Just want to start off saying thanks to everybody that has helped along this journey... This community it amazing so thank you everybody.....with that being said can I get a little bit of info on a hypo motley? Like how big will they get are they bcc or bci ect thank you

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Hypo Motley is a BCI 2 gene morph. They will get about the same size as a normal Colombian. They are both BCI. If you get one, make sure its got the sweet long stripy tail. I love the tails on motleys.