Type of ghost

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I know its not G1 hypo. Can someone tell me what she is? Meaning orange ghost, butterscotch, green, etc.

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You can't identify a line of hypo it can be Butterscotch, Orange Ghost, Bell Line, it can be a combination of 2 lines or more.

The good news is that the most commonly work with lines on the market are compatible.

These 2 females are Non-compatible with orange ghost. I have 3 double het ghost (these 2 females) het orange ghost. Not worried about lines (i.e. Bell or N.E.R.D.) all ready established from Giavani (wrong spelling) not G1. Just looking for type right now. If unknown to established breeders/hobbyists, not a problem. All help is appreciated at this time.

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Originally Posted by locolobito

These 2 females are Non-compatible with orange ghost

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Than they are not compatible with Bell or Butterscotch either (those 3 are compatible), and ultimately it will be an issue as most people want to work with compatible lines and that's when lineage and knowing what you have is very important.

I am 5th owner. I have 2 babies from 1 of these females maybe a 3rd. She was bred to orange ghost, no visuals. So all hatchlings double het orange ghost & ???. Just by pic can type be identified? Meaning orange, butterscotch, green, blue.

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Originally Posted by locolobito

I am 5th owner. I have 2 babies from 1 of these females maybe a 3rd. She was bred to orange ghost, no visuals. So all hatchlings double het orange ghost & ???. Just by pic can type be identified? Meaning orange, butterscotch, green, blue.

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Again if she was bred to an orange ghost and no visual were produced she is not Butterscotch either.

Thank you. Not a problem. I'm just looking for visual help. Not worried about Bell line, N.E.R.D. line, etc. Both lines are non-compatible from my reading and research. G1 hypo is non-compatible with either line. From 1 breeder was told may be another type of wild caught. Don't know. Just more of butterscotch, green, blue, orange, etc. that I'm more interested in. This forum is my last grasp at straws. If you know what I mean.

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Unfortunately, just looking at your photos won't allow for definitive ID of the specific line. Based on the results of breeding, the only certainty is that you have hypos that are not compatible with orange ghost and other orange ghost compatible lines of hypo, such as butterscotch.

Not a problem. Just know that 3 previous owners bred with orange ghost and got no visuals. From my research Bell, N.E.R.D, and G1 are Non-compatible. Was told for G1, pattern don't match. Thank you again for any and all help.

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Just a side note.. With the floor of your snakes habitat being that wet, you may see scale rot at some point.

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The pics are a week old. They get cleaned twice a day. But thank you for looking out

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Still doing research. Possible yellow ghost?

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Loco,

"Yellow", "Orange", "Butterscotch", "Peach", "Green", "Bell", and "NERD" lines of Hypo have all been proven compatible. So, if these girls have been bred to "Orange"-line and there were no visuals then they are likewise not going to be any of the others I listed.

Graziani had two lines of Hypo that were non-compatible with the standard lines; G1 and G2. You claim these are not G1 because of pattern but that is not a determinant. You have to breed to another G1 to determine whether or not they are compatible.

Also, GulfCoast Reptiles had a Hypo line that proved to be non-compatible with the standard lines. Again, you would have to breed to an animal in this line to determine whether yours is compatible.


Looking at pictures alone will not tell you anything. You will have to breed them out, it is as simple as that

I talked to Graziani and he told me pattern does not match his line. Vespers led me to the yellow ghost. And at this moment the searches on yellow ghost matches my girl. I have a spider from her first clutch(sold as honeybee,old threads around still I believe). And I have her complete clutch from last season which was just an enchi and butter. First clutch was with honeybee (hypo spider). Last clutch was butter enchi orange ghost. No visuals. Both breedings were incompatible.

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Vespers led me to the yellow ghost. And at this moment the searches on yellow ghost matches my girl.

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And yet YellowGhost is compatible with OrangeGhost and so we can say for a fact that, regardless of whatever pictures you are looking at, your animal is not a YellowGhost because when bred to an OrangeGhost you did not get visuals

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I talked to Graziani and he told me pattern does not match his line.

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While I have much respect for Greg he does occasionally make mistakes. The pattern in balls is widely variable and so a G1 from someone else's collection that had been out crossed could very likely have patterning different from the animals in Greg's collection.


So again, if you want to truly determine just what type of Hypo you have you are going to have to test by breeding. We can eliminate the most common lines of Hypo (Orange, Yellow, Peach, Butterscotch, Green, Bell, NERD, etc.) because they are all compatible. That leaves you with G1, G2 and GCR

Cannot find anything on a G2 or GCR.

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Originally Posted by locolobito

Cannot find anything on a G2 or GCR.

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G2 was a Graziani line. Not sure if or how many he may have released but my guess is they are pretty rare.

GCR is Gulf Coast Reptiles. I believe that it may also have gone under the moniker of "Citrus Ghost" There should be plenty of information on them because people were upset a few years back when it came out that GCR had been selling their line and telling people it was compatible but breedings were proving that to not be true.

Thought I was going somewhere with my searches n what not. I'm giving up on ghost gene. About give up on hobby as a whole.

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Wife agrees, snake hobby hasxto go. I'm getting way too stressed. Worse than before. Hobby is done. Thank you all for info and help.

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Wife agrees, snake hobby hasxto go. I'm getting way too stressed. Worse than before. Hobby is done. Thank you all for info and help.

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Wow this all seems rather sudden !!

Surely it's worth just taking a breather and simply enjoy the snakes you have already .... I use my snakes as a way of relaxing or DE- stressing !

I have never been interested in breeding as you seem/seemed to be though .... mine are all display animals in vivs and all but one or three tolerate handling :)

Please don't sell up and quit before giving the matter a lot more thought . You seem to have invested so much time and effort into your hobby !!!


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Reasoning behind it all is cause I'm tired of beating my head against a brick wall on my unknown ghost. I've reached out to at least 15 ghost breeders and out of that 15, 4 times I was told possible yellow ghost. Going off old threads from here and what not, not all ghosts are compatible, that included orange ghost×yellow ghost. Everything is contradictory like the Bible.
As for breeding, it was more to get what "I" wanted (providing odds god was in my favor).
Its all good though. Going to keep unknown ghost and all hets. My pied and all hets. Red tail boa. And honey bee.

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Do you have any pictures of the offspring from her clutches?

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Do you have any pictures of the offspring from her clutches?

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