Male Or Female More Dominant?

I'm sure this has already been answered a million times, but I can't find anything about it. So, please forgive the nOOb question... lol Is either the male or female more dominant than the other with regards to what offspring will most likely be produced?

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Originally Posted by Aedryan Methyus

I'm sure this has already been answered a million times, but I can't find anything about it. So, please forgive the nOOb question... lol Is either the male or female more dominant than the other with regards to what offspring will most likely be produced?

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Neither. They all produce equal sex ratios across the board.*

* with one exception - the Banana/Coral Glow morph; that one's a very unique one-off in the hobby

It's not about the sex it's about the genetics when it comes to combos

Pastel X Male X Spider Female will give you the same outcome than Spider Male X Pastel Male.

Now from the business/investment standpoint however there is a way to go about pairings ;)

Easy, the answer is neither. It's elementary my dear Watson, assuming it's the same as it is in humans, both parents have two sex chromosomes with the female having two copies of the Y chromosome and the male having one copy of the X chromosome and one of the Y. During normal development each individual baby gets a copy of one of each parents chromosomes. This means it always gets a copy of the Y chromosome from its mother and the chromosome inherited from the father determines the sex of the offspring with 50% being males and 50% being females statistically speaking.

Edit: welp, looks like I was ninja'd because I tried to get all sciency and stuff

Thanks you guys! Both of your answers are very good to know. I think what i'm actually wondering has more to do with colors/markings/patterns/etc. So, using Deborah's example, let's say I was breeding a male pastel to a female spider... Obviously, the goal is to get interesting combinations of the two, but would the offspring more likely have the coloring/markings of the pastel (male) or the spider (female)? Or, is this what you meant by it has more to do with genetics than the sex, Deborah? That would bring another question to mind... Is there a way to determine which genetics are more dominant? For instance; would a pastel be more dominant than a spider (or vise versa)?

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Now from the business/investment standpoint however there is a way to go about pairings

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Would you mind elaborating on that a bit, Deborah? Though, I am starting off small (2 or 3 pairs) and would be ecstatic just making enough money breeding for it to sustain itself after a year or two, ultimately my goal is for it to become a sideline business that would be as profitable as possible. Since, I can't afford pairs of $5,000.00 - $20,000.00 breeder ready snakes, I have to plan 2/4/6 years ahead and be as smart as possible with my initial investments in the pairs I will be starting off with...

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Originally Posted by kxr

Easy, the answer is neither. It's elementary my dear Watson, assuming it's the same as it is in humans, both parents have two sex chromosomes with the female having two copies of the Y chromosome and the male having one copy of the X chromosome and one of the Y. During normal development each individual baby gets a copy of one of each parents chromosomes. This means it always gets a copy of the Y chromosome from its mother and the chromosome inherited from the father determines the sex of the offspring with 50% being males and 50% being females statistically speaking.

Edit: welp, looks like I was ninja'd because I tried to get all sciency and stuff

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LOL@kxr being ninja'd! That was an excellent explanation and it actually makes sense. I think I may as well get used to feeling really stupid around all of you smart people for awhile until I get my mind wrapped all the way around this genetics stuff! lol :confusd:

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Would you mind elaborating on that a bit, Deborah? Though, I am starting off small (2 or 3 pairs) and would be ecstatic just making enough money breeding for it to sustain itself after a year or two, ultimately my goal is for it to become a sideline business that would be as profitable as possible. Since, I can't afford pairs of $5,000.00 - $20,000.00 breeder ready snakes, I have to plan 2/4/6 years ahead and be as smart as possible with my initial investments in the pairs I will be starting off with..

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I will elaborate with a simple example while you would breed a 2, 3 or more genes male to a normal female, you would just not waste a valuable 2, 3 or 4 genes female with a normal male. Always pair a male with the most gene you can afford to a female and avoid breeding a lower end (lower value male) to a higher end (higher value female).....that's business 101 and common sense really ;)

Just to add an example to clarify what Deb is saying in case you're still confused, it would be a better idea to buy say a firefly male and a normal female then a firefly female and a normal male. This is because a male can breed up to like four females in a season so it would be cheaper to buy a firefly male and four normal females instead of doing it the other way around and you'd get the same results. You also get the bonus of being able to combine the firefly with four females with different genetic makeups to get a wider variety of offspring that all might have the desirable traits of the father.

To answer your other question no single gene is any more likely to be inherited than any other one. So like if you breed any two codom morphs together you always have a spread of 25/25/25/25. So in the example you used of breeding a pastel to a spider you have a 25% chance to getting the combined phenotype, a bumble bee, a 25% chance to get either of the parents phenotypes and a 25% chance of getting the wild type phenotype (normal). Gender is irrelevant unless you're talking about bananas which is a can of worms that I'm not sure I want to open and I'm pretty sure I couldn't explain the underlying principles if I did open it.

Also I'm in university studying stuff like genetics so don't be too worried about not knowing that stuff haha Although I have to say, getting into ball pythons before I started my genetics class made the first half of it sooooooooooo much easier to understand XD

Excellent explanations you guys! That all makes perfect sense! Thanks so much for clarifying these things. You guys/girls are awesome! :)

By the way, I just posted a really good barter proposition in the business thread (For Sale/Trade/Wanted) in case either you guys might be interested in such a thing or know anyone who might be...

Thanks again!

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Originally Posted by Aedryan Methyus

Excellent explanations you guys! That all makes perfect sense! Thanks so much for clarifying these things. You guys/girls are awesome! :)

By the way, I just posted a really good barter proposition in the business thread (For Sale/Trade/Wanted) in case either you guys might be interested in such a thing or know anyone who might be...

Thanks again!

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Yeah, I saw that. Deb has a pretty cool website already. Although I don't know her too well I kinda doubt she'd be interested. It does kinda peak my interest but I don't have anything you'd be interested in. Plus I'm just starting out haha I'm only one clutch deep into breeding and I'm just starting to build up my own little breeding collection. Maybe in a few years if you're still active on here you can build a website for me ;) probably not for animals though... I'm not a fan of the idea tbh

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Originally Posted by kxr

Yeah, I saw that. Deb has a pretty cool website already. Although I don't know her too well I kinda doubt she'd be interested. It does kinda peak my interest but I don't have anything you'd be interested in. Plus I'm just starting out haha I'm only one clutch deep into breeding and I'm just starting to build up my own little breeding collection. Maybe in a few years if you're still active on here you can build a website for me ;) probably not for animals though... I'm not a fan of the idea tbh

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Well, you are leaps and bounds ahead of me! lol I haven't kept snakes for about 7 or 8 years now and I have missed having them ever since I got rid of them. I had Boas and honestly, they just got too big and expensive to feed and there was jumbo rat shortages half of the time (locally). So, I don't even have any snakes right now. :( But, that is about to change real soon! :)I've been considering getting into breeding for a long time and I finally got inspired enough to move forward with it. Ball pythons are much more reasonable to work with than big snakes in my opinion. So, i'm currently designing and building two separate rack systems and trying to decide if it would be feasible to breed my own feeders, while i'm determining the most sensible starting point for snakey poos. Basically, i'm wanting 2 of just about everything I see right now! lol But, I think I have it narrowed down to a few. I definitely want Axanthics and Super Sumas! Clowns and Leopards, too...

By the way, do you guys have any idea what an Axanthic x Suma Het for Axanthic (or vise versa) offspring might look like? Would that just produce all Axanthic and Mahogany offspring or would it create a really cool morph? Like say, all black with silver markings or all black with different shades of black markings, etc? Perhaps the Axanthic could strip away all of the black from the Suma and end up with a silvery type color, possibly with black markings? Seems very interesting to me...

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Originally Posted by Aedryan Methyus

Well, you are leaps and bounds ahead of me! lol I haven't kept snakes for about 7 or 8 years now and I have missed having them ever since I got rid of them. I had Boas and honestly, they just got too big and expensive to feed and there was jumbo rat shortages half of the time (locally). So, I don't even have any snakes right now. :( But, that is about to change real soon! :)I've been considering getting into breeding for a long time and I finally got inspired enough to move forward with it. Ball pythons are much more reasonable to work with than big snakes in my opinion. So, i'm currently designing and building two separate rack systems and trying to decide if it would be feasible to breed my own feeders, while i'm determining the most sensible starting point for snakey poos. Basically, i'm wanting 2 of just about everything I see right now! lol But, I think I have it narrowed down to a few. I definitely want Axanthics and Super Sumas! Clowns and Leopards, too...

By the way, do you guys have any idea what an Axanthic x Suma Het for Axanthic (or vise versa) offspring might look like? Would that just produce all Axanthic and Mahogany offspring or would it create a really cool morph? Like say, all black with silver markings or all black with different shades of black markings, etc? Perhaps the Axanthic could strip away all of the black from the Suma and end up with a silvery type color, possibly with black markings? Seems very interesting to me...

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From what I know about axanthic (which isn't too much because I have too many other projects on my mind XD) the browns & yellows turn into the grays & whites in the axanthic while the blacks stay black. Imo an axanthic super suma would likely be an all black snake with maybe a white/gray dorsal stripe where the orange stripe usually is. There is really no way of knowing for sure though until one gets produced though (I'm assuming none have been produced and that's why you're asking). If that's something you want to pursue then maybe you'll be the first one to find out!

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Originally Posted by kxr

From what I know about axanthic (which isn't too much because I have too many other projects on my mind XD) the browns & yellows turn into the grays & whites in the axanthic while the blacks stay black. Imo an axanthic super suma would likely be an all black snake with maybe a white/gray dorsal stripe where the orange stripe usually is. There is really no way of knowing for sure though until one gets produced though (I'm assuming none have been produced and that's why you're asking). If that's something you want to pursue then maybe you'll be the first one to find out!

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Yup... I'm thinking I might end up being the first... That is going to be a ways down the road, though i'm afraid... I am going to have to get a pair of Mahoganies and raise them up then breed them to hopefully end up with an all black Super Suma. Then raise that up in order to breed it with an Axanthic. Aaargh! I sure wish I would have gotten into this a looong time ago! lol

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Originally Posted by Aedryan Methyus

Yup... I'm thinking I might end up being the first... That is going to be a ways down the road, though i'm afraid... I am going to have to get a pair of Mahoganies and raise them up then breed them to hopefully end up with an all black Super Suma. Then raise that up in order to breed it with an Axanthic. Aaargh! I sure wish I would have gotten into this a looong time ago! lol

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You could always attempt to find an axanthic mahogany female then you'd only need a mahogany male. You could breed a mahogany het male offspring back and BAM! you might end up with axanthic super sumas haha. That'd be ~5 years instead of like an 10 year thing lol. Also if I were you I'd get a mahogany male and an axanthic female and work from there. You could get a male and female mahogany het axanthic in that clutch and you'd only end up waiting for two females to mature instead of 3.

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Originally Posted by Aedryan Methyus

Yup... I'm thinking I might end up being the first... That is going to be a ways down the road, though i'm afraid... I am going to have to get a pair of Mahoganies and raise them up then breed them to hopefully end up with an all black Super Suma. Then raise that up in order to breed it with an Axanthic. Aaargh! I sure wish I would have gotten into this a looong time ago! lol

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Three thoughts: :)
1) Not "Super Suma" - just "Suma". It stands for SUper MAhogany, so saying Super Super Mahogany is kinda like saying ATM machine. If you like the Super part, then Super Mahogany is also acceptsble.

2) Your road towards an Axanthic Suma becomes MUCH shorter if you start raising up some Axanthic stuff now rather than waiting until you've produced a Suma to start. Either way it's a long road though unless you can find Mahogany het Axanthic or even Axanthic Mahogany animals somewhere.

3) We all have to start somewhere. Might as well enjoy the journey no matter when we joined the party, right?

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Originally Posted by Eric Alan

Three thoughts: :)
1) Not "Super Suma" - just "Suma". It stands for SUper MAhogany, so saying Super Super Mahogany is kinda like saying ATM machine. If you like the Super part, then Super Mahogany is also acceptsble.

2) Your road towards an Axanthic Suma becomes MUCH shorter if you start raising up some Axanthic stuff now rather than waiting until you've produced a Suma to start. Either way it's a long road though unless you can find Mahogany het Axanthic or even Axanthic Mahogany animals somewhere.

3) We all have to start somewhere. Might as well enjoy the journey no matter when we joined the party, right?

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Thanks for setting me straight on that about the Sumas... lol But, yes... Axanthics are definitely #1 on my list either way. People don't seem to be doing a whole lot with Mahoganies, though. So, finding one that het for Anxanthic probably isn't very promising. I'm definitely going to keep my eyes open, though! :)