3-4 Recessive Gene Mutations?

Are Their Any Ball Python Morphs With 3-4 Recessive Genes? Like An Albino Clown Ghost Pied? If Not, How Come? Is It Because It's More Difficult To Produce Than Multiple Co-Dominant & Dominant Gene Morphs? Sorry For The Strange Question. I'm just Curious.

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Because the chances of producing a Double Recessive from DH is 1/16 per egg, producing a triple recessive is 1/64 (I have a friend that produced a Snow Pied this year so triples are happening) and to produce a quadruple recessive your chances per egg are 1/256

I know there are a couple 3 gene visual recessives.
Good things take time, lots of time.

I will add this remember that producing a single gene recessive from hets is 1/4 and sometime even that is not that easy.

A quadruple could take decades.

Dang. I Thought The Chances Of Producing A Multi Recessive Morph Was The Same As Producing A Multi Co-Dominant Morph. Is This Wrong?

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I Know It's More Difficult Because Of All The Het Breeding Though.

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This is the main reason I'm only working with one recessive gene at the moment. I'd love to make lightning pieds or maybe genetic stripe pieds someday, but multiple recessives are hard to produce. So I stuck with some good codom genes. I've seen people add clown into dreamsicle projects, so that's three recessive genes right there, but four? Hoo boy.

Man I Would Love To See An Albino Clown Ghost Pied. I wonder What They Look Like.

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Originally Posted by Griz/Rosco B.Pythons

Man I Would Love To See An Albino Clown Ghost Pied. I wonder What They Look Like.

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Ghost And Albino would not be something I would mix an Albino ghost is really just a more "Orangy Albino" nothing extraordinary IMO http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/albino-ghost/

Now a Lavender Snow Clown Pied on the other end :P

Lol I'm not a big fan of the snows

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Originally Posted by Griz/Rosco B.Pythons

Lol I'm not a big fan of the snows

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Me neither unless they are lavender snow ;) http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...r-albino-snow/

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Me neither unless they are lavender snow ;) http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...r-albino-snow/

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The one on the left in the second picture is incredible. Just wow.

Man they are mate. I never seen the lavender snows.

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I mean I have but not like that last pic. I thought they all looked like the first one

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Personally, the only reason snows dont just blow me away is the fact that we have so many other, easier to produce combos that create all white snakes. Cleaner all white snakes, imo.

The lavender snows are completely different though, and completely stunning. I'd love to see if a Candy Snow would have stronger purples or not.

But to stay on track with this thread, a quadruple het to quadruple het breeding would likely (unless you kill the odds) take decades to come to fruition. I know one of the forum members here just recently on a whim paired a double recessive to another double recessive (Albino Clown to Ghost Pied if I remember correctly) and outlined the odds of producing a quad animal in his own thread.

EDIT: Of producing a quad animal from the quad het offspring I mean. All babies from the original breeding would appear as the wild type.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Ghost And Albino would not be something I would mix an Albino ghost is really just a more "Orangy Albino" nothing extraordinary IMO http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/albino-ghost/

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Personally I think people gave up too soon on the project :)

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Dang. I Thought The Chances Of Producing A Multi Recessive Morph Was The Same As Producing A Multi Co-Dominant Morph. Is This Wrong?

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The same as a multi Super. Super Pastel, Super banana, Super enchi, Super Orange dream all in one snake for example.

I think the more realistic approach is to keep everything at 1/16 odds. Breed a hypo pied to a hypo clown and make hypo double hets. Make the hypo clown pied from that. Breed an albino clown to an albino pied and make albino double hets. Make the albino clown pied. Breed albino clown pied to hypo clown pied. Make clown pied double hets. Or something like that.

With that said I currently I have 1.3 pastel triple het clown pied hypo and 1.0 pastel double het albino hypo 50% het clown and 0.1 double het albino hypo 50% het clown. Even if I don't hit on the triples, a double recessive pos het can still push the project farther.

I am working on a few double recessive projects and hope to hit a double visual in the coming season (but would need a lot of luck); once that happens triple projects will inevitably follow. At least I currently have an adult breeder male pastel g-stripe het ghost and his 2016 daughter ghost het g-stripe is growing up and doing well. My chances in the upcoming season will rely on possible hets, however, so nothing definite. The season after my ghost het pied pair will be ready and I am hopeful of proving another male as hypo mojave het g-stripe (66% het). It would also be good to prove my 66% het axanthic girl since her poss g-stripe het didn't prove and I have a 100% het g-stripe clutch from her with a couple of promising looking babies. There is also my half sib pair of pastel het axanthic and visual female (proven breeder - gave me some nice true ghost hets this year) to pair for a pastel axanthic male but they are also both 50% het pied, oh, and the het axanthic sister of the pastel male could also be breeding this time.

That albino ghost looks like a high contrast albino. Nice project on the way to a triple recessive with pied or clown mixed in.

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Originally Posted by Albert Clark

That albino ghost looks like a high contrast albino. Nice project on the way to a triple recessive with pied or clown mixed in.

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I have personally seen a couple of albino ghosts in the flesh and they were rather nice. A subtle combination and even the breeder wasn't sure about what he had, but I was and was later proved right. I liked them more than I expected to but not sure that I would go to the trouble of trying to make some given the effort and odds involved when there are a lot more spectacular/attractive projects out there. Lavender glow is on my list much much higher than sunglow.

The only quad recessive I have in mind is a Caramel DG Clown Pied. Which I am starting my long road with that this season.

I'm currently working on toffee pie bald and after that maybe throwing axanthic or caramel albino I'm also going caramel albino vpi axanthic pied bit I do want to pick up a clown for my fire vanilla female

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I know I am an an old thread, but this is pertinent. A breeder just managed to produce a triple recessive Desert Ghost Axanthic Clown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyO5K58ni2U

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Originally Posted by Cooliball

I know I am an an old thread, but this is pertinent. A breeder just managed to produce a triple recessive Desert Ghost Axanthic Clown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyO5K58ni2U

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Pretty awesome combo. Justin does some of the most incredible projects, can't wait to see where he goes from here.