Fake Hets

A Buddy Of Mine Bought Many Het Albinos From A Breeder A Few Years Back. He Bought 6 Pairs Of 1 Male To 2 Females & Bred Them Last Year. He Was So Excited To Produce His First Albinos But At The End Of The Day He Had About 50 Something Normals. Has Anyone Ever Experienced This Before? What Is A Good Source For Real Het Albino Ball Pythons?

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There is no guarantee on het proving out their first season.
Were they possible hets or 100% hets?

How many albinos did he make? What was the total number of eggs?

The only sure source for a het albino is from a female albino you own or a male albino bred to a Virgin female. Anything else and you can have things like sperm retention and/or you are trusting people. The more realistic approach is to just buy your hets from someone with a good reputation.

With the price of albino those days why not by a female and in a year buy a male, and save 3 years of raising animals that will only yield a chance of 25% Albino per eggs?

The Breeder Sold Them As 100% Het Albinos. He Had A Total Of 12 Females. Most Had 3-4 Eggs & Some Had A Little More. All Together I Believe He Had 52. None Was Albino.

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And Idk Deborah. That's What I Would Have Done.

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I do have to say though that scamming is in this hobby and the idea that someone would sell fake hets is not out of the realm of reality. However my friend bred two het albino for 6 seasons before hitting an albino, and he knew they were hets because he produced them!

Always check on the Board of Inquiry on Fauna Classifieds before buying from anyone.

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Originally Posted by Griz/Rosco B.Pythons

The Breeder Sold Them As 100% Het Albinos. He Had A Total Of 12 Females. Most Had 3-4 Eggs & Some Had A Little More. All Together I Believe He Had 52. None Was Albino.

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It could be very unlucky (I have seen it) I know someone that had to produce 29 eggs with the same het female paired to a visual male before hatching a visual. :O , it's not common or likely but it can happen.

I would keep the females since they are up to size and get a male Albino before completely giving up on them.

Than I would take it to the breeder and ask for compensation, well of course if he did not buy from a reputable breeder it may be difficult.

I guess he could be. Lol you would think though if they was Hets he would produced at least 1 albino from all those eggs. Ain't it a 25% chance breeding Hets to get an albino.

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Originally Posted by Griz/Rosco B.Pythons

I guess he could be. Lol you would think though if they was Hets he would produced at least 1 albino from all those eggs. Ain't it a 25% chance breeding Hets to get an albino.

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It's per egg, each egg has 25% chances to produce an albino, 25% chances chance to produce a normal and 50% chances to produce a Het

Again it does not work out, Visual to Het you chances are 50% per eggs and my friend had to produce 29 eggs before producing a visual.

Oh ok. That makes since. I was thinking its a certain % of all the total eggs. Thanks for the info. Maybe me friend really did buy Het Albinos he was just unlucky. I hope he produces some next year.

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The Odds Gods can be fickle!

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Originally Posted by Griz/Rosco B.Pythons

Oh ok. That makes since. I was thinking its a certain % of all the total eggs. Thanks for the info.

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Your way of thinking was similar, but not quite the same. If you think about it like Deborah explained, then it helps you remember that what happens in one egg has absolutely nothing to do with what happens in the others. Kind of like flipping a coin - just because you got heads this flip (with a 50/50 chance at heads or tails) it doesn't mean that you're more likely to get tails the next flip.

As others have said, a male Albino will go a long ways towards clearing the air. :gj:

Oh alright.

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Yeah, sometimes you have to remind yourself that each egg having a 25% chance of being an albino means that each egg ALSO has a 75% chance to NOT be albino. The odds look way worse when viewed that way.

However, although each egg has a 25% chance to be albino, the odds that out of 52 eggs none produced an albino is very low. Just like the coin tossing example, although each flip has a 50/50 chance to be heads or tails, the odds of you flipping heads 100 times in a row is highly unlikely.


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I calculate that out of 52 eggs, you have a 99.9999681% chance to get at least 1 albino assuming both parents are het albino.


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BPGator that's what I'm thinking.

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Over 99% and no albinos. Either they was normals or my friend is the most unluckiest guy in the world.

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Sounds very unlikely. But with the example Deborah gave, 29 eggs between a het and a visual may be even more unlikely. Anything's possible.


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Yeah I guess so

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I'd ask the guy to see his albino parent. Something seems fishy... What is the ratio of males to females? Maybe it's sex-linked somehow and similar to coral glows, you may have all males or all females and maybe you need the other for a visual. Just guessing, but how can anyone be that unlucky?

1 male to Every 2 females. What do you mean about the coral glows

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I'd ask the guy to see his albino parent. Something seems fishy... What is the ratio of males to females? Maybe it's sex-linked somehow and similar to coral glows, you may have all males or all females and maybe you need the other for a visual. Just guessing, but how can anyone be that unlucky?

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No it doesn't work like that

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Sounds very unlikely. But with the example Deborah gave, 29 eggs between a het and a visual may be even more unlikely. Anything's possible.

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You have a better chance of winning the powerball jackpot and then a coin flip on top of that. There is always a chance a het will never prove out during its lifetime. However when it comes to such low chances the alternative becomes more and more likely. Which in this case is he was lied to about the hets.

It would be smart to get an albino or two to pair to the females he picked up. Along with increasing the odds of producing a visual (assuming the females are truly hets), at the very least if they don't prove, he'll have produced some females he can be 100% about the genetics of.

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Originally Posted by Trisnake

It would be smart to get an albino or two to pair to the females he picked up. Along with increasing the odds of producing a visual (assuming the females are truly hets), at the very least if they don't prove, he'll have produced some females he can be 100% about the genetics of.

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This is what I do with unproven hets where at all possible. I just had to wait it out with my het lavenders and got 2 visuals this season but lucked out on 2 possible hets (pastel 50% het VPI axanthic and a female 66% dh axanthic/g-stripe); at least I now have 1.4 lovely pastels 100% het VPI axanthic and 5 g-stripe hets (still poss het axanthic and half with head stamps like my 100% axanthic hets). So win:win. At least my g-stripe 66% het ghost male proved to be both 100% het ghost and a pastel to boot fom 5 eggs out of a het ghost girl. If yo have the relevant visuals then even if a het doesn't prove you still get a clutch of 100% het babies.

This isn't unlikely I bred for hypos for years probably produced 20+ eggs. From a visual to hets and it took me 3+ breedings to hit hypos (this was years ago). so even with a 50/50 shot nothing is for sure except homozygous x homozygous.