My amazingly PERFECT BP setups.

Ok, well they may not be perfect to the people who like their snakes to be highly visible and have lots of plants and waterfalls and stuff, but for my hatchling balls, I think I am doing it just right. Got my entire setup breakdown from "balls2u" on YouTube. He's awesome. ... I posted about the jumpstart thermostats the other day too, you can see them hooked up to each individual tub in the pics. They are fantastically accurate. Working great. ... but my bp's are responding amazingly well to their new setups. They were in 20 gallon glass longs and they just didn't want to eat and their behaviors changed. I can tell they are much happier now. Eating strong and my male butter had a perfect shed today. ... what do you guys think?

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Looks great and sounds even better. Congrats on the awesome results!

Thank you Eric! I'm completely new to this, so I'm learning as much as I can as fast as I can.

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Ok, well they may not be perfect to the people who like their snakes to be highly visible and have lots of plants and waterfalls and stuff, but for my hatchling balls, I think I am doing it just right. Got my entire setup breakdown from "balls2u" on YouTube. He's awesome. ... I posted about the jumpstart thermostats the other day too, you can see them hooked up to each individual tub in the pics. They are fantastically accurate. Working great. ... but my bp's are responding amazingly well to their new setups. They were in 20 gallon glass longs and they just didn't want to eat and their behaviors changed. I can tell they are much happier now. Eating strong and my male butter had a perfect shed today. ... what do you guys think?

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Wouidnt harm to out a few little diagonal branches in there as well , I feel .

Just to break up the monotony .....

Once they are on a consistent feeding schedule, more established and more comfortable with their surroundings, I might add some decor. They're shy snakes that just wanna be safe in a dark tight spot right? So I'm not too concerned with something green in there right now just to please MY eye. A happy snake is a feeding snake, so that comes first and foremost st the moment.

The branches were suggested for the snakes not your visual pleasure tbh ... They do like tight spaces but surely they deserve more than a hide .
A few branches and some fake foliage from a pound/ dollar shop would fill up all that scary , empty space and give them something to climb around and over .


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Actually, adding fake foliage and branches is more than just pleasing your eye- if you're concerned with shy young ones, adding some of that stuff provides even more security for them.

It's great that yours are eating already, but a couple of mine would actually think your tubs still have too much open space to feel secure. If the tubs are in a rack, that's a different story. But being open to a room, doesn't hurt to add more security!

Just make sure the temp under the paper towel right against the bottom of the tub over uth is 90 max due to fluctuations of on/off thermostats. Another reason I say 90 is bc heat transfer is really good through paper towel and while it may not be 90 on top of the paper towel as soon as your snake lays on it the temp will be hotter. Best way for me to explain that is if you put your hand over a hot pan on stove it feels hot and then if you press your hand on the pan it is much hotter, same applies for the snake laying on paper towel over uth. I would suggest are covering 3 sides of the tubs with black or other color construction paper so they feel more secure. I would also use reptile basics hides, they are very dark and secure so your snakes will have that sense of security, plus they are very easy to clean and come in many different sizes so they can have the same looking hide as they grow instead of adapting to a new one and they are really cheap lol. Your hides are fine though, just my personal preference but maybe something to keep in mind if you upgrade or get another snake.

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I appreciate the input guys. I will consider putting some sort of foliage in their tubs, but I am pretty happy w what they have right now. ... the temps seem to be bang on. The temp on the paper towel never goes over 91 or below 88. A 3 degree variance is nothing to worry about right? The cool side stays right around 76, w really no variance at all. I keep my house pretty warm, just for the snakes, I don't mind it. The issue is the humidity. I need to actually LOWER it a little more. I guess I need to drill even more holes in the tub, even though there are already like 25. But it stays right around 70 percent. That's not going to hurt them I don't think, but I do wanna get it down to 60. I've tried a slightly smaller water bowl, with no change, so I'm guessing it's ventilation. Anyways, thanks again you guys for all your advice!

Looks good. Simple. If they're happy, that's all that counts.

I will add - those tops can sometimes be easy to separate in the middle of the long edges when you pull on them. They're probably too little now, but at some point they may be able to push up and try to sneak out.


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I appreciate the input guys. I will consider putting some sort of foliage in their tubs, but I am pretty happy w what they have right now. ... the temps seem to be bang on. The temp on the paper towel never goes over 91 or below 88. A 3 degree variance is nothing to worry about right? The cool side stays right around 76, w really no variance at all. I keep my house pretty warm, just for the snakes, I don't mind it. The issue is the humidity. I need to actually LOWER it a little more. I guess I need to drill even more holes in the tub, even though there are already like 25. But it stays right around 70 percent. That's not going to hurt them I don't think, but I do wanna get it down to 60. I've tried a slightly smaller water bowl, with no change, so I'm guessing it's ventilation. Anyways, thanks again you guys for all your advice!

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There's nothing wrong with 70% humidity with good ventilation and dry substrate, or even higher. It's only high humidity and no air flow that is a problem.

My house is 70% humidity in the summer, so that's how it is even without an enclosure.

Ah, that's the kind of setup I use and love! Nice job, OP! :snake:

Thanks Sylver! It's simple, but effective. [emoji106]


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It's a bit like having a Goldfish in a tank with one little tunnel to swim through , though ...


Let's hope that snakes don't have brains :)


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Hmmmm... comparing a Ball Python to a goldfish? Lol, I get it. You don't agree w my setup. That's fine. It is temporary like I've said... but ball pythons live in dark rodent burrows and termite mounds in their natural habitats. Not sure how interested in branches they are. But I do agree w putting some sort of foliage in there at some point in the near future.


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And I'm not sure what the "let's hope snakes don't have brains" line was supposed to mean.


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That is the setup I had them started in. 2 almost identical setups. Plenty of "foliage", but I could just tell that it was too much space and because of the glass they felt too exposed. Once they start putting on some size and become more comfortable in their own skin (so to speak), I will transfer them back. But for right now, them feeding is what's most important to me. It's no different than say many breeders tubs. From what I hear from REPUTABLE people, this setup just WORKS with BP's


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That is the setup I had them started in. 2 almost identical setups. Plenty of "foliage", but I could just tell that it was too much space and because of the glass they felt too exposed. Once they start putting on some size and become more comfortable in their own skin (so to speak), I will transfer them back. But for right now, them feeding is what's most important to me. It's no different than say many breeders tubs. From what I hear from REPUTABLE people, this setup just WORKS with BP's


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We'll that looks fabulous , that said I reckon if you'd have put black paper on the sides and back of the Viv , add more foliage and some branches , plus another hide or two of some kind and they'd have been fine and dandy in there I reckon .

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Apologies for the flippant remark ... I just hate seeing snakes in bare rubs with a hide and a water dish .

Sure in the wild - they hide in holes and tunnels during daylight hours so they stay in the hides whilst in the vivs .....but in the evenings these very same nocturnal snakes come alive and start investigating , Royals will climb in branches EVERY single evening given the chance ...




Incidentally your Butter Royal will look amazing on dark coloured Orchid bark ( maybe even the Mohave to a lesser extent ...

If your BP is stress free and eating your setup is fine, BP do not care about aesthetic their owner do, and BP are ground dwellers.

So if it WORKS and you are happy their is no need to make any changes if you don't want to, just because of what others may think.

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If your BP is stress free and eating your setup is fine, BP do not care about aesthetic their owner do, and BP are ground dwellers.

So if it WORKS and you are happy their is no need to make any changes if you don't want to, just because of what others may think.

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Deborah makes a great point (as she always does). All too often we try to portray our human needs/wants on our pets/animals. The simply just don't need things that we often feel they should need or have.

Just my two cents, but in the wild even a ground dwelling animal climbs over obstacles a foot or three high. No one is saying it's a substitute for proper temperatures, humidity, and hides, but I don't think it's fair to say that giving a bp things to climb only benefits the keeper.

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If your BP is stress free and eating your setup is fine, BP do not care about aesthetic their owner do, and BP are ground dwellers.

So if it WORKS and you are happy their is no need to make any changes if you don't want to, just because of what others may think.

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So you're suggesting that my 5 Royals spend every night climbing in branches and even lying / sleeping in them to HUMOUR and entertain me !?!?


I see these kind of setups every day online , usually posted by breeders , even the infamous Brian the Snake Breeder in the USA uses this very same format . A container , a hide and a water dish .

Hell his snakes don't only eat well ..... they breed as well .

You're saying that just because a snake 'survives' from one day to the next and even eats a meal when offered that these snakes are stress- free and happy !?!?!?



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So you're suggesting that my 5 Royals spend every night climbing in branches and even lying / sleeping in them to HUMOUR and entertain me !?!?




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Not everything is about YOU :rolleyes: did I quote your comment? NO, just like I have no issue with YOUR setup either....guess that end your little attempt to argue in it's track :rolleyes:

answered the OP telling the OP that if his setup worked he did not have to change it for anyone.....wow a noble idea someone open to all type of setup so long it works.....you should try it sometime. :gj:

As for free and happy, YOUR snakes are not free either.....hello pot.....

Done with you wasted to many keystrokes already.

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Not everything is about YOU :rolleyes: did I quote your comment? NO, just like I have no issue with YOUR setup either....guess that end your little attempt to argue in it's track :rolleyes:

answered the OP telling the OP that if his setup worked he did not have to change it for anyone.....wow a noble idea someone open to all type of setup so long it works.....you should try it sometime. :gj:

As for free and happy, YOUR snakes are not free either.....hello pot.....

Done with you wasted to many keystrokes already.

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I just offered an opinion and advice gained from MY experiences .

All done in good faith as usual .


As for this thread - I'm promoting branches for Royals and then minutes later you state that no changes are needed as they're ground dwellers ....


I also referred to stress-free NOT actually free - two completely different things tbh


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Well when I'm promoting branches for Royals and then minutes later you state that no changes are needed as they're ground dwellers ....its not exactly rocket science .



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Get that chip off your shoulder, I could not care less about what YOU post or when YOU post it, I don't go around tracking members and look at my watch thinking that's him/her, he/she just posted I am gonna post too :rolleyes:,

I read my feed to do my job (still a mod :() and post if I feel like it, nothing to do with you, again it's not all about YOU, I did not even realize you were still active here.

Anyway yet again you feel compel to turn this into drama where there is none good job :gj:

Now you can argue all on your own I am out and I mean it.

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I just offered an opinion and advice gained from MY experiences .

All done in good faith as usual .

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You offered OP declined and you continue to push.


Mangiapane85 your set-up is perfect. Your animals will let you know they will keep feeding. :gj::gj:

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I just offered an opinion and advice gained from MY experiences .

All done in good faith as usual .


As for this thread - I'm promoting branches for Royals and then minutes later you state that no changes are needed as they're ground dwellers ....


I also referred to stress-free NOT actually free - two completely different things tbh


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My whole point in putting them in a smaller darker place is that they ARE more stress free now. I've listened to people who have worked w these snakes for 10 or 20 years and they all say the same thing.. a big fancy glass display tank is NOT what these snakes need, particularly as babies.


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And Deborah, thank you for the supporting words. I in no way wanted to make this a drama filled thread. I respect all opinions, but I will let my kingsnakes have the fancy setups for now lol. They don't seem to mind at all. :)


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You offered OP declined and you continue to push.


Mangiapane85 your set-up is perfect. Your animals will let you know they will keep feeding. :gj::gj:

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Ah the aptly named PitOnThe Prowl .....we also meet again ...

It's like the OK Coral :)

As regards your suggestion that I continued to " PUSH it " ....

I prefer to describe it as continued to discuss it tbh .


To the innocent bystanders ...
I should explain that all this drama comes from a while back when I had the audacity to speak out against LIVE feeding .






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And Deborah, thank you for the supporting words. I in no way wanted to make this a drama filled thread. I respect all opinions, but I will let my kingsnakes have the fancy setups for now lol. They don't seem to mind at all. :)


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Well my apologies for inadvertently derailing your thread .

In my defence , I was attracted by your misleading ( IMHO ) thread title and your continued description of the set ups as 'dark' places ...
I still don't see how the open rubs are dark unless you're simply suggesting they can stay in the hides 24/7 ??




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Well my apologies for inadvertently derailing your thread .

In my defence , I was attracted by your misleading ( IMHO ) thread title and your continued description of the set ups as 'dark' places ...
I still don't see how the open rubs are dark unless you're simply suggesting they can stay in the hides 24/7 ??




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Using the abbreviations "IMHO" and "TBH" do a terrible job at hiding your sarcastic, "holier than thou because I put green stuff in my snake enclosures and you don't" attitude bro. This works for me. But most of all, it works for my snakes. And by "a darker spot", I mean I moved them to a different room that doesn't see much use as opposed to the living room, and I use the natural light cycle from the windows as opposed to the bright uvb bulb I was using. They have peace and quiet and they don't feel as exposed due to the opacity of the plastic as opposed to the clarity of the glass. Like I said, once they're older and more used to human movement and all that, I'll reconsider their setup, but for now, you have your way and I have mine. IMHO.


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And also in my opinion, you're missing the point. These particular snakes BY INSTINCTIVE NATURE actually LIKE to stay in a dark hide spot. At night they come out and move around. These guys run off of PURE INSTINCTS man. They don't feel emotions, and I highly doubt they are thinking, "gee. This place sure could use something green to really liven it up." ..


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Using the abbreviations "IMHO" and "TBH" do a terrible job at hiding your sarcastic, "holier than thou because I put green stuff in my snake enclosures and you don't" attitude bro. This works for me. But most of all, it works for my snakes. And by "a darker spot", I mean I moved them to a different room that doesn't see much use as opposed to the living room, and I use the natural light cycle from the windows as opposed to the bright uvb bulb I was using. They have peace and quiet and they don't feel as exposed due to the opacity of the plastic as opposed to the clarity of the glass. Like I said, once they're older and more used to human movement and all that, I'll reconsider their setup, but for now, you have your way and I have mine. IMHO.


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How on earth do you get sarcasm from me using an abbreviation for ' in my humble opinion ' ??

I gave up after reading your 'holier than thou ' comment .

You know what that's enough with the drama and since I am not inclined to entertain it any further this thread is now being locked.

I may re-open it, I may not