White Morphs

What morph combinations can produce all white or close to all white Offsprings? I know Mocha x Mojave & Fire x Fire can produce mostly white Offsprings. Is their anymore like this? Please & thanks mates.

Here's a good page that will help: http://www.owalreptiles.com/complexes.php

What is a complex when referring to Ball Python morphs. Thanks by the way.

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What is a complex when referring to Ball Python morphs. Thanks by the way.

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Here's another link from that same page with your answer. :D http://www.owalreptiles.com/geneticinfo.php

Lol thanks

So, if I breed my super mojave BEL to my Nuclear (butter/fire) I could get more BEL's, right? Would the butter x mojave be blue eyed and the fire x mojave be black eyed? Or would I have no clue?

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So, if I breed my super mojave BEL to my Nuclear (butter/fire) I could get more BEL's, right? Would the butter x mojave be blue eyed and the fire x mojave be black eyed? Or would I have no clue?

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Percent

	Fraction	Genes
25 %	1/4	Mojave
25 %	1/4	Fire Mojave
25 %	1/4	Butter Mojave (Leuzist. Blue Eye)
25 %	1/4	Mojave Butter Fire

Only Butter X Mojave would produce a BEL. Mojave x Fire are not compatible and will not produce a white snake.

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So, if I breed my super mojave BEL to my Nuclear (butter/fire) I could get more BEL's, right? Would the butter x mojave be blue eyed and the fire x mojave be black eyed? Or would I have no clue?

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Butter Mojave is a Blue Eyed Lucy, a Fire Mojave is just that a Fire Mojave (just like your nuclear is a butter fire which is not a white snake)

So is there a holy grail of a pairing to give a PURE WHITE Royal ??


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Right, I was thinking from the perspective of telling them apart but forgot that when I ran it through the genetic wizard I only got blue eyed lucy's...

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So is there a holy grail of a pairing to give a PURE WHITE Royal ??


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BEL used to be the holy grail years back not anymore now it's more not another white snake type thinking, they are still a powerful addition allowing you not to produce any normal but people tend to like some pattern or at least patches of pattern on their white snakes.

As far as good looking clean white snake Butter X Mojave or Lesser X Mojave are the best IMO clean white and not prone to bug eyes like butter x butter and lesser x lesser or butter x lesser.

Fire x Fire well it's debatable they will throw pure white snakes but can also throw Bel with yellow pattern which people actually prefer (again people are not into solid white snake as they used to be) same for sulfur.

Fire x fire will make black eyed Lucy's as will flame x flame ,lemonback x lemon backhttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...def6658f2b.png


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My black eyed lucy 😊http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...4da3ab2785.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...7ed7568375.jpg

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This is the most epic yawning pic I've ever seen [emoji23]

OMG, that is the best picture ever

Ik,looks like she's mimicking the alligator skull 😂😂

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Full white spieds are very nice looking. Also a cool combo.

Pied white is about as white as it gets, so things like all white spieds or all white lesser pieds can't really be matched from what I've seen. Super lesser comes close, but has a chance for bug eyes. I can't really recommend lesser mojave, while many are white, some get yellow dorsal stripes and I've seen one with pretty much a full yellow back. So you have a chance for yellowing when they get older.

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Pied white is about as white as it gets, so things like all white spieds or all white lesser pieds can't really be matched from what I've seen. Super lesser comes close, but has a chance for bug eyes. I can't really recommend lesser mojave, while many are white, some get yellow dorsal stripes and I've seen one with pretty much a full yellow back. So you have a chance for yellowing when they get older.

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What about black eyed Lucy's? Mine is white with a slight pink tint and yellow spots down her back..i cant find any adults online,do you know how they color as they grow,will her pink fade or the white brighten?or will the yellow spots get bigger/darker/or get any other spots in them?i have seen a few with random brownish spots in their yellow http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...adaea65691.jpg

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White diamonds are usually the cleanest bels but also can get some light yellow dorsal stripes or a pattern under a black light


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My black Eyed Lucy is an all white snake and looks pretty clean until she is ready to shed then she turns a little pink . I don't know anything about how the yellow pigment holds as the snake ages but I would be curious to know as well. who is working on an all yellow Snake? the quest for the grail continues !



Awesome pictures, the timing is great and the background made me laugh.

My black eyed Lucy has some yellow spots but is very white


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Idk if you can tell from this picture but she's pinkish white and has yellow spots

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Mine too


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White diamonds are usually the cleanest bels but also can get some light yellow dorsal stripes or a pattern under a black light


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In my experience I'd say far from cleanest while I've seen pictures online, between local show and tinley i've never seen a pure white Super russo, all had a yellow dorsal.

As for the BlkEL, the pink isn't a pigment, it blood showing through the white that is close to the skin. They have a lack of pigment so less is blocking it. When my blue eye baby hatched it was more pink than I could call white. Didn't take long for him to whiten up though.

The yellow from BlkEL stays, my super fire never lost or got more yellow as he grew up. If you are looking for pure white, I've never seen a super lemonback with color. If you like the yellow, super sulfurs tend to have tons of yellow and sometimes even oranges.

I'll be hoping for some super lemonbacks in 2 seasons


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In my experience I'd say far from cleanest while I've seen pictures online, between local show and tinley i've never seen a pure white Super russo, all had a yellow dorsal.

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I've never noticed the yellow dorsal on my male super Russo. "White Diamond" in my opinion is the cleanest & whitest of the all white snakes. I have to now go and double check & I'll try to post a picture of him. Not much in terms of genetics though but he's always been a good snake. i got him from the guy himself, Vin Russo, after doing a bit of research on an all white bel. The others bel's seemed to always have a grayish head, some more than others & then there was the genetic defect possibilities that I wasn't looking to get into. & she didn't want a black eyed bc I'm really loving the super fires, just have to wait and find that "1" I'm looking for.....

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SuperFire possible Pastel, possible SuperPastel, possible YB. He has a small spot of yellow on the back of his head, maybe ten scales total. His sister is pristine white

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who is working on an all yellow Snake? the quest for the grail continues !

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Do not know anyone working on it but AlbinoPatternless would give you an all yellow snake.