Unknown ball pythons sold as dinkers from a local breeder

My guess is one is fire type and one unknown with lots of holes and deep color crisp and clean. Might be normals http://s6.postimg.org/ohja5tipd/20160914_221515.jpghttp://s6.postimg.org/dj80nmu41/20160914_221521.jpghttp://s6.postimg.org/sgghon7ch/20160830_201447.jpghttp://s6.postimg.org/omn1fhq0h/20160830_201432.jpghttp://s6.postimg.org/4qr1zy8z5/20160830_201506.jpg

The holey one has a weird head stamp and the fire looking one looks like he has a flame symbol on head very light but still noticeable

All Dinkers are normal, it's up to you to decide whether you think the project is worth investing your time into proving it otherwise. Normals can have clear bellies and/or "headstamps" similar to proven morphs and not be genetic, that is the chance we take(and half the fun) when we pay for the animal. Best of luck with proving them out in the future.

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Originally Posted by Aztec4mia

All Dinkers are normal, it's up to you to decide whether you think the project is worth investing your time into proving it otherwise. Normals can have clear bellies and/or "headstamps" similar to proven morphs and not be genetic, that is the chance we take(and half the fun) when we pay for the animal. Best of luck with proving them out in the future.

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Thank you all i got is time :)

Yeah not every snake is a dinker.....

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

Yeah not every snake is a dinker.....

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Most of mine are dinkers and imported :) thats all ive purchased and thats why the name dinker sticks.

While I am no expert at identifying a dinker, you really can't prove anything until you breed all of these snakes you are posting. I am not saying that the snakes aren't nice looking but you have posted several dinker threads. Breed these snakes and then post your results.

Reason im posting is so i can get peoples opinions on what might be possibly going on genetically. In order to prove it out yes i would need to breed but for now im just posting threads with my snakes that were purchased as dinkers/wc/ch so i can get feedback.

The consensus on almost every thread is there. The only person not convinced is you- posting more photos of nice normals is just that until, as everyone has said, you prove them out.

I think the real power of a 'dinker' is the possibility of a recessive mutation that is new and breathtaking, that's where you can make some big money and a name for yourself. I'd breed those out and then breed the babies together to see if you can tease out any recessive morphs. That's basically how it all started. I'm not quite sure how we got so many co-dominant and dominant morphs, we surely didn't get them that way as imports? Maybe just a freak co-dom popping out from a couple of mormal looking dinkers? There's also the possibility that you have a 'hidden' enhancing gene that won't really pop until you breed it to other morphs. Take a look at the Specter and Yellowbelly, both are pretty normal looking snakes until you combine them and get an allelic combo that really pops (a Super stripe).


Yellowbelly:

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...-belly/001.jpg

Specter:

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...pecter/001.jpg

Superstripe:

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...-belly/016.jpg

Nothing remotely close to fire, those days everything is a dinker :rolleyes: , I guess it help sell the normal that do not. A dinker that will prove is like a needle in a haystack.

Normal are VERY variable from busy to reduced, with flames, no flames, brighter head, darker head, busy belly pattern, clean belly pattern, blushing, blushing, light, dark........

That one is nothing special I would want to spend time on.

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a...les/Normal.jpg

My best guess is that if he actually had an animal that he thought might produce a new and interesting morph, he'd keep it and breed it himself. I doubt he'd sell it for a price within reach of most people. His having multiple "dinkers" is also a red flag.

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Originally Posted by cchardwick

I think the real power of a 'dinker' is the possibility of a recessive mutation that is new and breathtaking, that's where you can make some big money and a name for yourself. I'd breed those out and then breed the babies together to see if you can tease out any recessive morphs. That's basically how it all started. I'm not quite sure how we got so many co-dominant and dominant morphs, we surely didn't get them that way as imports? Maybe just a freak co-dom popping out from a couple of mormal looking dinkers? There's also the possibility that you have a 'hidden' enhancing gene that won't really pop until you breed it to other morphs. Take a look at the Specter and Yellowbelly, both are pretty normal looking snakes until you combine them and get an allelic combo that really pops (a Super stripe).


Yellowbelly:

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...-belly/001.jpg

Specter:

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...pecter/001.jpg

Superstripe:

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...-belly/016.jpg

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Great topic you make a great point.

Some folks like dinkers. Nothing wrong with that and we've all had snakes that photo as "completely 100% normal" even when they are a proven established morph too.

If you like the snake, then breed that dinker and see what it holds.

My opinion on the ones posted in this thread is that all are well within normal standards. I don't see much to say "dinker" or "potential morph" honestly. But good luck! Let us know when you've got some eggs too. Dinkers can be exciting.

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

Some folks like dinkers. Nothing wrong with that and we've all had snakes that photo as "completely 100% normal" even when they are a proven established morph too.

If you like the snake, then breed that dinker and see what it holds.

My opinion on the ones posted in this thread is that all are well within normal standards. I don't see much to say "dinker" or "potential morph" honestly. But good luck! Let us know when you've got some eggs too. Dinkers can be exciting.

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Thank you i prefer buying dinkers because they are so random wether they prove or not. 90 percent of my snakes are actually WC or CH dinkers that were imported from benin or ghana. I have a few proven cinnamon, queen bee, Ghost (not the wild caught one i have :), so as for a red flag i think not i just like my odds of proven a dinker much higher. My interest is not to make profit or anything of a such its my lovely snakes and love em all. P.s. might not breed until a while since im not ready to hanfdle the workload and responsibility. The girl who sold me the ball pythons had to get rid of them because she was moving. Its her word against nature.