Morph Confirmation

This guy was sold to me at a reptile show as a Lesser Mojave Woma. It was brought to my attention in a different thread that this is not the case since he's not all white (BEL). Breeder says the pairing was a Mojave x Lesser Woma. Based on that, I believe he's a Lesser Woma. I just wanted to get everyone's opinion if that seems right. Do you see anything that would make you think otherwise? Since the breeder was wrong about the genes, makes me question whether the parents are what he says they are.

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Head pattern, body pattern and color sounds pretty right for lesser woma.....now I just don't get are the seller could sell that as Mojave Lesser Woma.

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Unfortunately I was ignorant at the time and didn't realize it. I questioned the seller later about it and, perhaps I'm too trusting, but he seemed convinced this animal has the 3 genes. One of the parents was a Lesser Woma, so my snake should look fairly similar. So, either he has no clue what he's doing or he's a liar. But the fact he had the case labeled Lesser Mojave Woma makes me think he really believes it.

Oh well, I bought him because I liked how he looked, but it's always nice to know what you have. Thanks, Deb.


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He's a nice looking snake!

If it is someone that does show you may have a chance that he will make it right if you contact him. Obviously HE should have know better and should correct the situation.

That clearly a lesser woma and if one of the parents was a lesser woma... I have zero idea how the breeder messed that up owning one.

Yeah no Mojave in there...

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Originally Posted by Deborah

If it is someone that does show you may have a chance that he will make it right if you contact him. Obviously HE should have know better and should correct the situation.

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I'd have to get him to admit the mistake first. And not sure how it could be rectified, other than a partial refund. I like the snake and I'm not giving him back. I bought him for $150. Not sure what the going rate would be. I'll just look at as a lesson learned - do research on what you're buying.


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Originally Posted by BPGator

I'd have to get him to admit the mistake first. And not sure how it could be rectified, other than a partial refund. I like the snake and I'm not giving him back. I bought him for $150. Not sure what the going rate would be. I'll just look at as a lesson learned - do research on what you're buying.


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It wasn't priced for a lesser mojave, let alone a lesser mojave woma. I would be expecting a few more hundred dollars for that.

Right - I don't think I got shafted on the price. I just didn't get a gene that was advertised. Like you said, if it was what was advertised, I would have made out really well. Makes you wonder if he knew there was no Mojave and that's why he sold it for that price.

I'm okay with how it turned out - just wanted to make sure of what I did have.


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Thats basic Lesser pricing..... J/S

I would still make him aware of his mistake because it pretty basic stuff and if he does not have those basics down in no time there will be a bunch of unhappy customers.

If you are happy with the snake tell him that you are happy and do not want anything from him but that as a courtesy you want to let him know that there is no Mojave in that snake and that if there had been the snake would be white. Maybe that will encourage him to take a step back and start doing some research, though he should have done that before deciding to put two snakes together. :rolleyes:

It could be Mojave het

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It could be Mojave het

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Mojave is a dominant gene, so not possible. In other words, if he has a Mojave gene it would show.


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Ahh. I gotcha. I retract my previous statement then. Just trying to offer some thought. lol

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Are you sure the display box didn't maybe have a second snake in it at one point and that's why mojave was there? I'm just realllly hoping a "breeder" isn't that dumb to think lesser Mojo or that crappy to lie if he knew otherwise.

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Are you sure the display box didn't maybe have a second snake in it at one point and that's why mojave was there? I'm just realllly hoping a "breeder" isn't that dumb to think lesser Mojo or that crappy to lie if he knew otherwise.

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He wrote "Lesser Mojave Woma" on the business card he gave me. I talked to him after via text but I didn't get very far in convincing him the snake has no Mojave in it. Who knows what he's thinking.


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Here's a photo of a 'lesser + mojave'. Looks like anything you add to it won't have much of an effect, still get a mostly white snake.

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...mojave/011.jpg

How can you tell it has Woma in it? Here's a photo of a Lesser, looks pretty much the same to me:

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...lesser/003.jpg

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...lesser/007.jpg

Oh, I think I see the Woma now, the pattern has sharper edges, kind of like partly a spider...

I doubt he was the breeder for your snake, the price is off and he clearly doesn't know what he has. It wouldn't be far fetched if he got the BP in a trade and just had it on his table. Some breeders buy or trade bulk to add something different to their table. A few years ago I picked up my pastave for $30 because the vendor had gotten it in a trade for some leos and thought it was a lesser. I told him it looked more Mojave to me and he said he wasn't sure but priced it basis the cost of the geckos he traded for a lot of BPs. I went home very happy but had him quarantined for 6 months, fast forward to present day he has sired by first ever clutch of 5 eggs with a set of twins.