Spider Ball Python Wobble?

What is it, exactly?

My little Wheatley is a spider morph. I've been watching videos about it, and people say it's very serious... Wheatley kind of wobbles a bit, but hasn't gone upside down or started shaking. He seems to be fine as far as striking out at his prey.

Do snakes have a natural small wobble to them? Or is this a clear sign of this "wobble?"

Is it a muscular control issue? Is there any other signs associated with this that is detrimental to the snake's health? Is there anything I can do to help/prevent it?

https://imgur.com/gallery/NPDFG

https://imgur.com/gallery/NPDFG

Hopefully this posts. It should be a gif of Wheatley..

The 'wobble' is neurological and it varies widely from spider to spider. Some have little to no evidence of it at all, others shake and corkscrew out of control when they get too excited. For the *most* part wobble doesn't effect a snakes ability to lead a full life in captivity.

From the gif it looks like a very minimal wobble going on. Nothing to worry about.

In my opinion based on observation people worry more about wobble than the spiders do. I would have to guess but to them the world just gets a little shakey sometimes.

The wobble is a neurological disorder that is characterized by, what I consider, a difficulty centering themselves. The wobble is only really manifests themselves when their head is not on the ground. When the head is on the ground, you wouldn't even know there was a wobble. It comes with the spider morph and is not a result of inbreeding nor can it be bred out. As others have pointed out, the severity varies from snake to snake. Regardless, the wobble has no known ill effects other than it makes feeding a bit hard sometimes. Snakes with a wobble will still thrive, eat, poop, shed, and breed like any other ball python. The original spider was thriving in the wild and as we all know, the wild is the most unforgiving place there is. The wobble has no ill effect on the snake and anyone who tells you otherwise has an opinionated view on the spider and the wobble. The facts are there and surprisingly a lot of people choose to ignore them because of their own opinion. Given, this entire rant is also my own opinion but I like to think it has roots in facts. XD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrFCqtXA5cs

Some education on the spider gene and its wobble.

As I keep seeing posts on this....is it cerebellar hypoplasia?

Can you post a close up (still image of your snake) whole body and head clearly visible?

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Can you post a close up (still image of your snake) whole body and head clearly visible?

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https://i.imgur.com/dXMjzaa.jpg

This is is the only current one right now. I'll update tomorrow.

https://i.imgur.com/Pg3QwgX.jpg

This is one isn't as recent.

https://i.imgur.com/SKYsmW9.jpg

And this one was taken the day I bought him two weeks ago

The guy we rescued Yzma from said she has no wobble. She totally does. But it doesn't effect her. She started turning her head upside down when she went to get the rat we were dangling the other night, but she's fine. She's also recently started sleeping with her head on its side. It's kind of adorable. I want to get her a little silk pillow, hahahaha.h

Usually you will see more of a wobble in stressful situations and feeding time. You can barley notice the wobble on my killer bee (super pastel, spider) unless it's feeding time. My champagne het toffee barley has a wobble also but it doesn't get worse when eating and even when he arrived in the mail his wobble was the same as always, he just has a barley noticeable wobble no matter the situation. The funny thing is that these 2 snakes have a faster and more accurate strike then my other snakes without wobbles, they have never missed so far. I hope they stay this way bc a slight wobble can turn into a bad wobble with age, also a bad wobble can get better with age.

I mentioned my champagne bc the spider gene isn't the only gene that has a wobble. Here is a link to other wobble genes in case your curious and it has a lot of other useful and interesting information.
http://www.owalreptiles.com/issues.php


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Originally Posted by Deborah

Can you post a close up (still image of your snake) whole body and head clearly visible?

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https://i.imgur.com/7jLIUXN.jpg


After three feedings and three poops

As I thought it's not a Spider :gj:

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Originally Posted by Deborah

As I thought it's not a Spider :gj:

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o.o

wait what?

what is it then? It doesn't match any other morphs I've seen.

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o.o

wait what?

what is it then? It doesn't match any other morphs I've seen.

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Not a morph, it's a normal I think.

Here is a spider

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/spider/

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o.o

wait what?

what is it then? It doesn't match any other morphs I've seen.

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Normal (reduced pattern) which may or may not be genetic but that's all I see here are some spiders for reference

Other than the distinct webbing you are also looking for head marking and white side.

http://stewartreptiles.com/wordpress...ery/Spider.jpg

Oh and based on the size of your hands your snake can take a small adult mouse or small rat fuzzy.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Normal (reduced pattern) which may or may not be genetic but that's all I see here are some spiders for reference

Other than the distinct webbing you are also looking for head marking and white side.

http://stewartreptiles.com/wordpress...ery/Spider.jpg

Oh and based on the size of your hands your snake can take a small adult mouse or small rat fuzzy.

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https://i.imgur.com/qTWnKMY.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/xYnLrq7.jpg
Hes got a white under belly with black spots randomly around it. You can sorta see it here.

Still not a spider

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Still not a spider

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i believe it's classified as a "phantom spider." As photos of those snakes match up directly to mine.

im sorry, but it is a spider.

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Still not a spider

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Besides that, several breeders I've talked to, both online and in person, immediately called it a spider ball python which isn't worth what I paid when I got angry over the fact that it was sold to me as a "fancy ball python" for $200.

still not a spider but if it makes you feel better to call it that we will just call it a spider which are not worth $200 either $50 to $75 :rolleyes:

BTW phantom spider looks like this http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...spider/001.jpg no resemblance whatsoever with your snake.

Additionally,

Phantom Spiders are classified as "designer morphs" however as they are the result of two normal morphs breeding... The BP still shouldn't have been worth $200.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

still not a spider but if it makes you feel better to call it that we will just call it a spider which are not worth $200 either $50 to $75 :rolleyes:

BTW phantom spider looks like this http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...spider/001.jpg no resemblance whatsoever with your snake.

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actually, that looks exactly like my snake, but bigger. :colbert:

Maybe the photos are crappy, but I will trust an official breeder, and several at that, over someone online who happens to disagree with me based on mere photos


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Either way he was priced online at $30... In store at $60... And last second they surprised me with "fancy" because I shoo'd away the girl taking him out of the cage because she was scaring him and he was looking to tag her. (She was going at his head and very shaky-like.)

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Additionally,

Phantom Spiders are classified as "designer morphs" however as they are the result of two normal morphs breeding... The BP still shouldn't have been worth $200.

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Here is a phantom spider from WOBP
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...hantom-spider/

The fancy ball python category at the pet store is very misleading. The category can have spiders, lemon blasts, spinners, pretty much anything but frequently I see normals in those cases that have a unique pattern or markings so that gives them the excuse to charge way more than it's worth. In the few stores around me the "fancy" costs $119 and then there's premium and super premium that cost way more.

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Right just like it can only eat fuzzy mice :rolleyes:

Who are those official breeder that say it's a Spider can you please post the convo where they identify your snake.

You want proper identification it's easy post quality pictures, it's not that hard all you have to do his from the side and the top and turn the light on ;)

But hey what do I know about BP morphs :rolleyes:

I'm with Deborah 100%, sorry. I also wouldn't shove her opinion aside like nothing, she's got a lot of experience... and, your snake really looks nothing like that phantom spider she posted. 😅

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It looks like a reduced pattern normal. If indeed it was created by breeding 2 normals..its a normal.. Only way you can prove otherwise, is breed it to see if it produces spiders.

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Additionally,

Phantom Spiders are classified as "designer morphs" however as they are the result of two normal morphs breeding... The BP still shouldn't have been worth $200.

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Where do you get this info? There is no source I can find that backs that up. If a normalxnormal breed...it creates a normal...

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Where do you get this info? There is no source I can find that backs that up. If a normalxnormal breed...it creates a normal...

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the same website that Debora posted. I was covering the fact that I still have a right to be mad that I got screwed over.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Right just like it can only eat fuzzy mice :rolleyes:

Who are those official breeder that say it's a Spider can you please post the convo where they identify your snake.

You want proper identification it's easy post quality pictures, it's not that hard all you have to do his from the side and the top and turn the light on ;)

But hey what do I know about BP morphs :rolleyes:

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heard of Brian Barczyk (I probably spelled his name wrong) from SnakeBytesTV? I tweeted him a photo, and asked him about the "fancy" thing. He clarified it's a spider.

Additionally, I had tweeted him a photo of my snake.

https://i.imgur.com/iP3p7jo.png

That at is just one of the online contacts. Another breeder is actually a friend I've known for a while online. She's not really a professional like Brian is, however she was the one who initially warned me about the spider wobble. Told me to watch out for it because some spider bps get culled if it prevents them from eating right.

https://i.imgur.com/XAgusRc.jpg

And these are just the online contacts. Unfortunately, in person conversations don't come with transcripts, so I cannot provide proof there.

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the same website that Debora posted. I was covering the fact that I still have a right to be mad that I got screwed over.

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I'm guessing you bought it from pet smart? Just my thought since you said fancy. 90% of the time you will get screwed over from an animal purchase there. A fancy normal for $119 is ridiculous and I can't believe it was $200 where you live. I would be really mad also. When buying ball pythons research is crucial, not only husbandry but morphs as well bc of how many different ones there are and how many look pretty similar. I have came across really good deals on bps at pet smart though but that is bc they didn't know what morph it was so just labeled it as they pleased but I never bought one. They have a super pastel in the normal tank onsale for $30 right now at a store close to me that is so tempting but Idk yet since I already have a super pastel. I haven't bought a bp from them but if I did and wasn't sure what it was I would take pictures and post them here asking and would also be looking at pictures online, just some advice for next time. Idk if there's much you can do now. Just learn from it and move on. I was ripped off on my first snake from a breeder and it sucks but I gained a family member and addiction and I don't regret any bit of it. Buying from a reputable breeder online or local is your best bet next time unless you see something you really want and it happens to be a good price.

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Maybe she has a woma?

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I'm guessing you bought it from pet smart? Just my thought since you said fancy. 90% of the time you will get screwed over from an animal purchase there. A fancy normal for $119 is ridiculous and I can't believe it was $200 where you live. I would be really mad also. When buying ball pythons research is crucial, not only husbandry but morphs as well bc of how many different ones there are and how many look pretty similar. I have came across really good deals on bps at pet smart though but that is bc they didn't know what morph it was so just labeled it as they pleased but I never bought one. They have a super pastel in the normal tank onsale for $30 right now at a store close to me that is so tempting but Idk yet since I already have a super pastel. I haven't bought a bp from them but if I did and wasn't sure what it was I would take pictures and post them here asking and would also be looking at pictures online, just some advice for next time. Idk if there's much you can do now. Just learn from it and move on. I was ripped off on my first snake from a breeder and it sucks but I gained a family member and addiction and I don't regret any bit of it. Buying from a reputable breeder online or local is your best bet next time unless you see something you really want and it happens to be a good price.

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I was trying to not name the store.... but.... yes...... It was Petsmart xD

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Right just like it can only eat fuzzy mice :rolleyes:

Who are those official breeder that say it's a Spider can you please post the convo where they identify your snake.

You want proper identification it's easy post quality pictures, it's not that hard all you have to do his from the side and the top and turn the light on ;)

But hey what do I know about BP morphs :rolleyes:

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Figure One: Snek Belly.... It was hard to photo. At this point he started squirming....
http://i.imgur.com/XbljFPB.jpg


Figure Two: Full body under good light.

http://i.imgur.com/xedhMX4.jpg

Here's a close up:
http://image.prntscr.com/image/74d26...12a9c2f7b4.png
It looks far too similar to a spider, but the color resembles that of the phantom spider, which is why I made that assumption.


And finally... The photo that made Wheatley hate me because I put on the flash.....
http://i.imgur.com/2e6Aft2.jpg

The face markings is very suggestively spider morph.


And then considering the fact that he has a bit of a wobble, which is exclusive to spiders from what I understand.

Cool! Enjoy and good luck!!

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Originally Posted by KingWheatley

The face markings is very suggestively spider morph.


And then considering the fact that he has a bit of a wobble, which is exclusive to spiders from what I understand.

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Look into Woma, not Hidden Gene Woma, just Woma.

Spider, Woma, Champagne and I'm sure others that I'm not thinking of can wobble.

The wobble is not exclusively spiders. It can happen in Womas, which seven-thirty suggested as a possibility. Not sure if Wheatley is a Woma, but I'd call him that before I called him a Spider.


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The face markings is very suggestively spider morph.

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Nope

Still not a Spider and your convo does not show where it says the snake pictured is a Spider it says Spider falls in the Fancy category when it comes to pet store. Which is what you inquired about, so do many other things.

Again the head is not right, the sides are not right but you can call it a Spider or Phantom Spider whatever makes you happy,

BTW yes I actually know Brian and since you wanted to hear from an official breeder, because I know hearing from me that it's not a spider cannot possibly be true.

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/a...3-16-40-26.png

If you think I disagree for the sake of it, I don't I have been trying to put you in the right direction, which is why I ask for pictures to start with because I was suspicious and leaning toward very reduced to low quality woma.

If you want to get advice here you will have to have more faith in the people posting otherwise what's the point.

I have nothing to gain it's a spider or not.

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Still not a Spider and your convo does not show where it says the snake pictured is a Spider it says Spider falls in the Fancy category when it comes to pet store. Which is what you inquired about, so do many other things.

Again the head is not right, the sides are not right but you can call it a Spider or Phantom Spider whatever makes you happy,

BTW yes I actually know Brian and since you wanted to hear from an official breeder, because I know hearing from me that it's not a spider cannot possibly be true.


If you think I disagree for the sake of it, I don't I have been trying to put you in the right direction, which is why I ask for pictures to start with

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Never heard of a woma.....

If that's the case... what's separating Woma from Spider...? They look alike to me, but that's probably because I'm not sure what to look for....

http://image.prntscr.com/image/707fb...bbea8b929a.pnghttp://image.prntscr.com/image/46aaf...fe3d5d585f.png
The black photo is a phantom spider... Which has that same faded back color that wheatley has.... And the head.... though Wheatley has a darker style at the top, looks exactly like this and not the White picture.....

They look exactly alike to me otherwise.... This is horribly frustrating....






Also it's when you say things like:

"But hey what do I know about BP morphs :rolleyes:"
"because I know hearing from me that it's not a spider cannot possibly be true."



Regardless of if the case was true that you knew more than I did, I felt you were simply trying to spout nonsense in an attempt to discredit me and the research I did. Not only that, but publicly humiliate me for knowing less. It generally makes me believe that the person on the other side of the keyboard is thinking to do nothing more than to argue the opposite.

While the information you provided would have probably made me take a step back, your prior interactions with me made me believe that your intent was not to inform, but were in fact more cruel. Because of this, and because of the fact I had thought that the information I had was correct, it created an unnecessary conflict. So, I do apologize.

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Look into Woma, not Hidden Gene Woma, just Woma.

Spider, Woma, Champagne and I'm sure others that I'm not thinking of can wobble.

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Hm... Did not know this....

Apology accepted.

When I tell someone they don’t have something they think they have I just don’t do it to make them feel any specific way (same for any other advice) I do it to let them know there were mislead which is sad that people take advantage of new people in the hobby. I could have let the thread go in the direction it was going and not ask you for pictures and you would have never know until much later but I had suspicion from your avatar

Try not to read things that are not there in the future, my intent is to help and put you and your snake on the right track otherwise I would not be here, even if you don't listen to one advice on one thread I will still give advice in the next one to the best of my ability whether we have disagreed in the past or not because to me it's about the animal.

Now Spider and Woma vary in the following head markings, sides (spider have white side from low to high), woma are also much darker in color that’s for the basic single gene now when it comes to combos it’s day and night and there is no comparison.
One thing they do have in common is a certain degree of wobbling.

My advice have a talk with that store if there is some sort or receipt and guarantee.

Just totally WoW......

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Originally Posted by KingWheatley

actually, that looks exactly like my snake, but bigger. :colbert:

Maybe the photos are crappy, but I will trust an official breeder, and several at that, over someone online who happens to disagree with me based on mere photos

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So which one of us would you like to speak with? Looks nothing like yours. At this point from the couple photos you posted I was on the Woma train.....

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the same website that Debora posted. I was covering the fact that I still have a right to be mad that I got screwed over.

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Yes you did. Research first. There are so many scammers in this hobby it is sad. They prey on people that have no clue hat they are getting into. PetSmart is great on all the other useless stuff they ill sell you BUT they always forget a THERMOSTAT!

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heard of Brian Barczyk (I probably spelled his name wrong) from SnakeBytesTV? I tweeted him a photo, and asked him about the "fancy" thing. He clarified it's a spider.

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Many of us know him on a personal level. He is a great guy in our community and is always willing to help anyone.

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Figure Two: Full body under good light.
http://i.imgur.com/xedhMX4.jpg

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This one photo right here ran the Woma train off the tracks.... You over paid for a reduced normal. Now keep in mind anything most box retail stores mark anything that doesn't look like a normal normal as a fancy. Any reputable breeder knows what they are selling and usually way under what retail stores charge due to their overhead. Also many of us are willing to help and explain genetics and breeding to those that are honestly wanting to learn and expand their knowledge.
Might want to keep that in mind before you disrespect someone that puts in more time helping people here than she should have to but she enjoys helping too ;)

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Yes you did. Research first. There are so many scammers in this hobby it is sad. They prey on people that have no clue hat they are getting into. PetSmart is great on all the other useless stuff they ill sell you BUT they always forget a THERMOSTAT!

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Well... That's depressing.

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This one photo right here ran the Woma train off the tracks.... You over paid for a reduced normal. Now keep in mind anything most box retail stores mark anything that doesn't look like a normal normal as a fancy. Any reputable breeder knows what they are selling and usually way under what retail stores charge due to their overhead. Also many of us are willing to help and explain genetics and breeding to those that are honestly wanting to learn and expand their knowledge.

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Reduced have thicker black lines, don't they?

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Might want to keep that in mind before you disrespect someone that puts in more time helping people here than she should have to but she enjoys helping too ;)

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I would not have disrespected her if I didn't think she was disrespecting me.

It was unnecessary to give me attitude, for example, when I was simply providing possible counter-examples that may or may not have changed an opinion. I was not intentionally arguing with her to start with, but after some time I felt that she was simply arguing just to argue against me. Her sarcasm indicated that she found the information I was offering didn't matter, and made me feel as if she was not listening to me. Like every other human being, naturally, I got upset feeling like what I was saying, when I thought I was right, was simply being tossed aside as if I was just supposed to know better.

Regardless of this, I realized later that I was including a tone in something that likely was toneless and originally in good humor. It's difficult to see it that way, as I find that I'm usually the only one with a sarcastic sense of humor that does not intentionally do so to make others feel stupid. I also realized that I was associating her responses with another forum I used to be a part of who would put me down constantly, and argue with me just for the sake of winning and showing off about it.

Keep in mind, I had information that solidified my view, however false in actuality. In the future, it might be a better approach to listen to all the details and explain why you think something rather than just simply saying "it's not ____." For example, "the marking above the eye is black on a _____ and yours doesn't have that marking."

Because I don't have an eye to spot the differences. I don't know where to look. Point me in the direction and you'll find that I'm actually pretty smart. Perhaps a bit stubborn, but that doesn't mean I can't be convinced that I'm wrong.

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Keep in mind, I had information that solidified my view, however false in actuality. In the future, it might be a better approach to listen to all the details and explain why you think something rather than just simply saying "it's not ____." For example, "the marking above the eye is black on a _____ and yours doesn't have that marking."

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Yeah you mean like this explanation plus pictures

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Normal (reduced pattern) which may or may not be genetic but that's all I see here are some spiders for reference

Other than the distinct webbing you are also looking for head marking and white side.

http://stewartreptiles.com/wordpress...ery/Spider.jpg

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That you resented by

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Originally Posted by KingWheatley

i believe it's classified as a "phantom spider." As photos of those snakes match up directly to mine.

im sorry, but it is a spider.

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Besides that, several breeders I've talked to, both online and in person, immediately called it a spider ball python which isn't worth what I paid when I got angry over the fact that it was sold to me as a "fancy ball python" for $200.

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After that being sarcastic is the only way to go about things when someone insist they are right and that you just argue for the sake of it, might want to re-read the whole convo and how it went.

I am done with this thread there is such a thing as taking responsibility (that's what adults do) and that's not an apology on one end complaint that there was no info on the other especially when provided.

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Yeah you mean like this explanation plus pictures That you resented by





After that being sarcastic is the only way to go about things when someone insist they are right and that you just argue for the sake of it, might want to re-read the whole convo and how it went.

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This is horribly off topic now... I'm going to make a new topic in a proper thread.


Also, that explanation still doesn't help me understand anything more. You are still just showing me photos that all look like Wheatley and it's horribly confusing to me still how you expected me to notice any differences... So yes. I did think you were arguing to just argue. Right now there's a benefit of doubt based on that perhaps you are seeing something I'm not, which is why this conversation is still struggling to continue.

In any case, I did apologize. I brought it back up to explain why I had an attitude in turn.

The difficult thing with internet forums is that typed words often don't contain tone or are easily misinterpreted. While to Deborah, her response seemed concise, to you it appeared condescending and so an argument ensued. Deborah is a mod on here and a reputable breeder, so usually people looking for advice are usually willing to take it when offered from such a person. Granted, there is nothing wrong with questioning a breeder's opinion or asking for further evidence.

I get though. It's hard to accept that you are a victim of your local pet store. I find it deplorable what they do to make money and have complained to their management in the past about the condition of the reptiles they keep for sale. Their goal is to sell you as much as possible (usually including caging and lighting you don't need) and rarely employ people knowledgeable about how to take care of the reptiles they are selling. Like Pit said, they let people leave without buying a thermostat to control their UTH. I can't imagine how many burned snakes this has led to.

Anyways, I am far from being an expert, but your BP doesn't quite look like a normal to me. Maybe it is a Woma or something similar. It's definitely not a phantom spider as I've had one and yours looks nothing like it. Either way, you paid too much and you should at least write the store's customer service email and tell them about how you were overcharged and had a terrible experience. They may at least return some of your money for it. You absolutely have a right to be mad, but they won't know about it unless you complain.

Lastly, if you love your little BP, accept him and do your best to make him comfortable and happy. Remember in the end that these are living creatures and no matter what circumstance brought him to you, he's yours now to enjoy. Caring for reptiles brings me immense pleasure and I love being able to participate in their lives. All value for morphs and colors aside, any BP is an awesome pet.

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This is horribly off topic now... I'm going to make a new topic in a proper thread.


Also, that explanation still doesn't help me understand anything more. You are still just showing me photos that all look like Wheatley and it's horribly confusing to me still how you expected me to notice any differences... So yes. I did think you were arguing to just argue. Right now there's a benefit of doubt based on that perhaps you are seeing something I'm not, which is why this conversation is still struggling to continue.

In any case, I did apologize. I brought it back up to explain why I had an attitude in turn.

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None of those animals look like yours.
You need to study the entire snake, both color and pattern.
Reduced actually means something different than you and most people think..... Think of a space with a pattern on it like a shoebox lid. Take that pattern an enlarge it and put is back on the same lid. Now you only have part of the original pattern in the same area.
Many morphs are easy but there are also a bunch that really don't look any different until paired with another morph.

Now if you get easily offended then the interweb might not be the place for you. There are many topics that are posted on this oar that are repeated because people don't know how or are too lay to use the search function. Just because something sounds one way or another. How you read it is all up to you.

Regardless of the morph, I think you should just enjoy your new pet. Doesn't matter what he is. Learn as much as you can from him and pick up as much as you can from the experienced folks here and all the other places on the internet and you and your snake will be just fine.

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Regardless of the morph, I think you should just enjoy your new pet. Doesn't matter what he is. Learn as much as you can from him and pick up as much as you can from the experienced folks here and all the other places on the internet and you and your snake will be just fine.

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its true that it doesn't matter. But I would still like to know what he is. I would like to be knowledgeable simply just to have the knowledge. Not that I'm going to breed him, or anything.

his color sort of reminds me of cinnamon sugar toast xD

As you can see, when you dont buy from a breeder, there really is no gaurantee of what you are getting. So that leaves alot of room for guessing. At this point all of us can sit here and throw names out just as much as you are hoping to make an ID. But the fact remains, its unlikely you will know what your snake is genetically unless you try to breed it. This is the reality of this.

Enjoy your snake!

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