Leopard?

Is this a leopard? It's hard for me to see what makes a leopard a leopard and some people have told me you won't see a whole lot until you pare it with something. But here are some pics.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...da8a189873.jpg
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...fa70029b67.jpg

Thanks!!!

Looks normal

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it's a high dot/keyhole pattern Leopard.

Not seeing the Leopard patterning either.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

Not seeing the Leopard patterning either.

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So I'm having some trouble trying to see what makes a good leopard in terms or good patter and color? I even had one guy at a show tell me it's hard to tell until you start mixing it with other genes... Can anyone point me in the direction on how to identify a leopard?

Go to World Of Ball Python and look at the photos of the base Leopard Ball. Study the pattern more than color.
To me the Leopard pattern is more pronounced than a Cinny/Black Pastel.

What did you buy that snake as?

I bought it from a good breeder who stated it was a leopard.

Ok so it seems as though looking from the top and seeing how the patterns on the sides kinda connect on the top down the spine might be an identifying pattern?

It looks like a leopard to me, though ideally they should have a pattern that runs together more.

Here are some pics for comparison: http://www.morphmarket.com/search?q=...US&layout=grid

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...043113aaf0.jpg

Was cleaning tubs and figured I would take another pic, same snake dif view...still looks leopard?

still looks Leopard to me. i have a few including a high dot/keyhole one. see how some of the dots are stacked on top of the other and are not side by side? also i agree w/ therotten1 who said it lacks pattern that runs together so that can confuse some peeps. some would call these low quality Leopards. single gene Leopards usually lack blushing and are dark. also i've found their lower 3rd and tail patterns are indicators.

Looks leopard to me as well. Maybe not the most obvious one, but still leopard.

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Originally Posted by JHPythons

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This photo makes me change my mind.
Back half tells the tail LoL

Lol awesome, thanks guys! I have two more like this, maybe I'll post pics of them too just to compare.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...41403fb2c1.jpg

So this one is a female clutch mate to the above posted female...

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...ecb1db02ea.jpg

This one is a male, different clutch but same sire or dame, I can't remember which.

Wow I'm surprised people aren't seeing it. As someone who has produced my fair share of Leopards and combos I can guarantee you that is a Leopard, and looks like a nice one to me. :gj: Nice pick up! The other snake you posted is also a Leopard lol

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Originally Posted by STjepkes

Wow I'm surprised people aren't seeing it. As someone who has produced my fair share of Leopards and combos I can guarantee you that is a Leopard, and looks like a nice one to me. :gj: Nice pick up! The other snake you posted is also a Leopard lol

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Thank you! Without sounding redundant, what would you say is the best way to distinguish a good leopard?

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...f899f469fe.jpg

I'm sorry, this is the correct pic of my male from a different clutch with the same sire or dame...the pic I posted above this one was my same leopard from the first pic I posted in this tread.

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Originally Posted by JHPythons

Thank you! Without sounding redundant, what would you say is the best way to distinguish a good leopard?

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Pattern first, but also by color. There are a couple different "looks" out there, but Leopard almost always gives a very distinguishable pattern; some more banded, and lighter colored, some with extreme connecting "alien heads." There is also a really consistent palette of color in their markings. If you look at the side of a normal there will be a variety of colors in the sides - varied browns, and a speckling of black and sometimes white. They also gain more black on the sides as they age. The Leopard doesn't really do that. It's all one very consistent color in their "alien heads."

Sorry if that's not the best technical description. I may have a much better eye than I do teaching skills, but when Leo is present it is absolutely and immediately evident to me. Just as it is with your male there :gj:

I'd recommend just exposing yourself to as many photos as possible until your eye catches on a bit more. Here's a couple Leos we have over here.

http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/...psollpgdfd.jpg

http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/...psycnlsoyo.jpg

http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7lb9wl1l.jpg

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Originally Posted by STjepkes

Pattern first, but also by color. There are a couple different "looks" out there, but Leopard almost always gives a very distinguishable pattern; some more banded, and lighter colored, some with extreme connecting "alien heads." There is also a really consistent palette of color in their markings. If you look at the side of a normal there will be a variety of colors in the sides - varied browns, and a speckling of black and sometimes white. They also gain more black on the sides as they age. The Leopard doesn't really do that. It's all one very consistent color in their "alien heads."

Sorry if that's not the best technical description. I may have a much better eye than I do teaching skills, but when Leo is present it is absolutely and immediately evident to me. Just as it is with your male there :gj:

I'd recommend just exposing yourself to as many photos as possible until your eye catches on a bit more. Here's a couple Leos we have over here.

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Awesome info sir!! Thank you very much!!

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Originally Posted by JHPythons

Thank you! Without sounding redundant, what would you say is the best way to distinguish a good leopard?

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for a single gene Leopard? IMO busy, connecting patterns. it seems to be what peeps prefer when buying one. also a bright pattern on a dark background.

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Originally Posted by STjepkes

Wow I'm surprised people aren't seeing it. As someone who has produced my fair share of Leopards and combos I can guarantee you that is a Leopard, and looks like a nice one to me. :gj: Nice pick up! The other snake you posted is also a Leopard lol

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hey u know these Leopards? ;)

http://i.imgur.com/MsURX55.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FTpf4qt.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FjdPQhp.jpg

i saw them when i visited Hewitt, probably last year i think. they were so cute. :)

That's crazy! I had to do a double take for a second haha. Thanks for sharing, Ax!

I should have sold those online or kept them. That female Leopard and male Pastel Leopard are 50% possible het Pied Clown. And not pictured here because she went fast was a neat, really reduced pattern Leopard female who I'm now almost certain was het pied.

The silly things we do. :rolleye2:

Would this little guy qualify as a Leopard? The seller is a smaller breeder, who seems to be straightforward and honest (I checked BOI). I ask because I'm only two months into my BP addiction. Additional genetic question: If both of his parents are het pied, and there were visual pieds in his clutch, would that make him 66% poss het pied?



http://i.imgur.com/jRtAYYt.jpg http://i.imgur.com/i1rzyEH.jpg http://i.imgur.com/v5d27It.jpg

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Originally Posted by Sallos

Would this little guy qualify as a Leopard? The seller is a smaller breeder, who seems to be straightforward and honest (I checked BOI). I ask because I'm only two months into my BP addiction. Additional genetic question: If both of his parents are het pied, and there were visual pieds in his clutch, would that make him 66% poss het pied?

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Yes, that's definitely a Leopard. Yes a hetxhet pairing would make him 66% het Piebald. And there's never any guarantees, but I'd say based on what I can see of his pattern there's a decent chance he is.