Does anyone see a subtle morph in this hatchling?

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This is a baby I produced in earlier this year and sold off as a "normal" a long time ago, even though I thought he kind of looked like a subtle morph of some kind. He is from a pewter pied X het pied pairing, so he's 100% het pied. I suspect his sire might be more than just pewter pied, as he has produced some other offspring that look like they may have more morph genes than expected, and I think it might be easiest to ID what it is on the most "normal" one rather than combos if there is something more going on. I didn't think to take a belly photo of this one before I sold him, but does anybody see a subtle morph here?

I honestly just see a normal. Then again, if you go on the morph list there are 4 or 5 snakes listed as codom with super forms and both the codom and super look like normals to me.

I see a really nice looking Het Pied snakey :D


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This is one of his sisters from the same clutch that I kept. She is very bright, and I have had a quite a few people tell me that she looks like she has something else besides pastel and pied in her; some suggesting that is might be yellow belly. But I just don't know....

I don't know all too much about the subtle differences in morphs, but that normal-or-not up there has some insane contrast going on! Very dark patterning :)

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/pastel-pied/

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...-yellow-belly/

For comparison

Hey Wendy, you sold me that lovely pastel het pied girl. I definitely agree you have something in that pewter pied of yours!

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Originally Posted by adizziedoll

Hey Wendy, you sold me that lovely pastel het pied girl. I definitely agree you have something in that pewter pied of yours!

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Yeah, she's another sibling that just looks like she just may have another gene in her with all that blushing and contrast. Here's one of her baby photos:

http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/q...psvsvz1kpb.jpg

I did manage to find a post shed photo of the "normal" male after his first shed, which kind of shows his flames, contrast and head pattern better. Still wish I had a belly photo, though!

http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/q...psfb4psr17.jpg

Could you contact the buyer and ask for a belly shot?

Hrm, you're right. That second photo (post shed) shows brightening of the dorsal patern, and subtle fading of the darks near the stomach and on the head. It is quite possible that it is a morph, and likely one of the ones I consider too close to fire for comfort. I'll get back later today, because there were some other lines in the Complex list that were too Fire-y for me to be comfortable getting (don't want to breed and muddle around with color swashes trying to identify which morph the baby is).

I'll check the morph list for Pastel Pied and see which other morphs may be at play with your one girl, as well as the complex list to see which other fire-y snakes there were and cross reference things. At the moment, though, I'm on a break from cleaning the house and need to get back to it soon

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Here's a belly shot of the pastel

Maybe it's just my phone, but both of those snakes (at the moment) look to have more of a warm hue to their flames, and not just a fade to grey/white. Plus that dorsal coloration and headspot on the normal.

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Originally Posted by adizziedoll

Could you contact the buyer and ask for a belly shot?

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No, he went into a wholesaled group to become a pet store snake, so I'm sure I would never find him.