I'm All In

ok, i decided that imma go try for a Panda. i know the issues and have accepted the risks. so i'm all in.

from my Fav Black Pastel Morphs thread:

where is the snake?
http://i.imgur.com/5xMeqf3l.jpg


right there
http://i.imgur.com/knTUfJFl.jpg


but guess what?

they're everywhere! lol
http://i.imgur.com/FxjU0qNl.jpg


nice pair
http://i.imgur.com/0DoVkr9l.jpg


nice tails
http://i.imgur.com/cPwwz4Pl.jpg?1


another pair
http://i.imgur.com/PL0cROrl.jpg


lil worms
http://i.imgur.com/Njk6tEYl.jpg


0.1 Black Pastel Yellowbelly and 0.1 Black Fire, both 66% het Pied; also both are sibilings from same clutch. their father also sired 2 other clutches that had a Panda in one and 2 Black Pastel Pieds and a chimera Black Fire Pied in another.
http://i.imgur.com/cgF5TTgl.jpg


1.1 0.1 Black Pastel 66% het Pied and 66% het Albino
http://i.imgur.com/v2P7tePl.jpg


Black Pastel Yellowbelly is named West or "W" trying to show off her orange lined belly but the lighting was terrible. she has really cool cool oranges throughout.
http://i.imgur.com/cpfDNuSl.jpg?1


Black Fire is named East or just "E"
http://i.imgur.com/GHlV8QNl.jpg?1


her name is South or simply "S"
http://i.imgur.com/sFZ1s1ll.jpg


i named him Vinkus
http://i.imgur.com/73YYQ50l.jpg

thanks for looking. :)

Good luck! There is a chance I've got one in the incubator now if she retained any sperm from last year. Wouldn't that be a shock. Heehee

I just looked at the screen for like the last 5 minutes

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Originally Posted by Kam

I just looked at the screen for like the last 5 minutes

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Its upsetting that IMGUR is blocked here at work, I wanna waste 5 mins staring at the screen too!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Rikoku

Its upsetting that IMGUR is blocked here at work, I wanna waste 5 mins staring at the screen too!!!!!

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You gave me a reason to come back to this post.

Um... A black pastel pied is not a Panda pied... That would be a super cinnamon pied. I've seen several black pastel pieds on Morphmarket and their color isn't really that black, and it all gets pushed to the head in most cases, similar to a spider pied. You'll still make some cool snakes though!

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Originally Posted by piedlover79

Good luck! There is a chance I've got one in the incubator now if she retained any sperm from last year. Wouldn't that be a shock. Heehee

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that would be a quite the blessing from the snake odds gods!

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Originally Posted by cchardwick

Um... A black pastel pied is not a Panda pied... That would be a super cinnamon pied. I've seen several black pastel pieds on Morphmarket and their color isn't really that black, and it all gets pushed to the head in most cases, similar to a spider pied. You'll still make some cool snakes though!

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lol i know what a Panda is. traditionally a Panda is considered a Super Black Pastel Pied; a Super Cinnamon Pied is acceptable as well. i've participated in many or started my own threads on the topics of Black Pastels, Cinnamons, their Super and ALS forms. i also have a 500gram SBP 66% het Pied and a few other visual single gene Pieds and combo's and hets i can work with. i used to list all my BP's in my sig but just took it down recently b/c it was getting too long. ;)

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Um... A black pastel pied is not a Panda pied... That would be a super cinnamon pied. I've seen several black pastel pieds on Morphmarket and their color isn't really that black, and it all gets pushed to the head in most cases, similar to a spider pied. You'll still make some cool snakes though!

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Super black pastel pieds are also called pandas.

Good luck on your quest OP!

ETA: Looks like the above poster and I were typing at the same time! Didn't mean to be redundant :p

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Originally Posted by cchardwick

Um... A black pastel pied is not a Panda pied... That would be a super cinnamon pied. I've seen several black pastel pieds on Morphmarket and their color isn't really that black, and it all gets pushed to the head in most cases, similar to a spider pied. You'll still make some cool snakes though!

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It's the opposite actually. The original Panda Pied was a super black pastel pied. Some argue that the super cinnamon pied isn't a Panda. I produced a few super cinnamon pieds and they were a disaster and mostly white. None hatched. I never went for super cinnamon anything after that.

It sounds like an interesting project! So to start from scratch you would have to breed black pastels to pieds to get hets, then breed the hets to get black pastel pieds, then breed those to get panda pieds, then breed those together to produce all panda pied clutches. So for a female to get old enough to breed I think that takes three years? So it would be a 12 year project starting from scratch?

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It sounds like an interesting project! So to start from scratch you would have to breed black pastels to pieds to get hets, then breed the hets to get black pastel pieds, then breed those to get panda pieds, then breed those together to produce all panda pied clutches. So for a female to get old enough to breed I think that takes three years? So it would be a 12 year project starting from scratch?

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with good hets and good odds, u can breed 2 Black Pastel het Pieds together and have a 6% chance of hitting a Panda. (FYI my BPYB and BP Fire's father is a BP Fire het Pied and produced a healthy, high-white Panda with another BP het Pied.) will it be healthy? will it survive? will it have pattern? those are other factors to consider. as Dave mentioned above, his were patternless and didn't even survive the eggs. your 12year project scenario of starting from scratch can still have it's timeline all messed up with bad hatchings that are common with the Super's. i've researched, discussed and contemplated this for a long time. i've come to the conclusion that i wanna own a Panda and have come to terms with the downfalls of the project. and here i am with 4 new animals. (:


Edit: my 1.1 BP het Pied het Albino's have nice ringers and more than likely are het Pieds. furthermore, i can also produce REL-like BP's from them. woohoo Blizzards!!

Good additions and good luck on the project. Hopefully you will make better progress than I am with my REL project.