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  • 08-18-2016, 12:13 AM
    highqualityballz
    What is going on with the sunset gene?
    How come not many sunset morphs are being produced? Does this gene have problems that people dont want to work with, or is it just a rare snake?
  • 08-18-2016, 12:30 AM
    Seven-Thirty
    Re: What is going on with the sunset gene?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by highqualityballz View Post
    How come not many sunset morphs are being produced? Does this gene have problems that people dont want to work with, or is it just a rare snake?

    Just wait for it and the combos will come. It's a recessive gene so of course things will take longer, plus it also has a huge price tag that most people do not want to shell out for and the fact that BHB has been doing this weird secrecy thing recently with their scaleless stuff and to a lesser extent the sunsets. It's amazing how quick people are to assume that there is something wrong with a morph or combo just because they don't see much of it. It took like 10 years to prove out just because of the circumstances around it and Brian's "Viper" ball.

    If you do some research you can see that there are many hets floating around in people's collections and on the "higher" end tables at shows.

    Just be patient. As Raphy said, and I para-phrase, people need to stop demanding answers for things that they aren't even buying into what is considered a high-end morph. Breeding isn't an over-night thing. It takes years for things to get going.

    Video in question: https://youtu.be/xXZSPibVRgQ
  • 08-19-2016, 03:54 PM
    DooLittle
    Re: What is going on with the sunset gene?
    Our friends just hatched out a sunset. Check out Royal Authority on Facebook.

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  • 08-19-2016, 04:18 PM
    Stewart_Reptiles
    Re: What is going on with the sunset gene?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by highqualityballz View Post
    How come not many sunset morphs are being produced? Does this gene have problems that people dont want to work with, or is it just a rare snake?

    You do realise that the sunset is recessive and that it is still very new and only het sunset were first released at $50000 which kind of limit the number of people that will get into the project.

    Recessive projects take time but no there are no issues.

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  • 08-19-2016, 04:25 PM
    SamO
    My sunsets are doing great. I have a female sunset who eats so agressive that she often kills hanging outside the tub. And she is a little sweetheart when it comes to holding her. My three females are growing great. They are at least a year from breeding though. The male is breeding size and I've been pairing him but have never seen a lock. I hope he's sneak breeding and will surprise me!
  • 08-19-2016, 04:31 PM
    cheosamad
    Re: What is going on with the sunset gene?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SamO View Post
    My sunsets are doing great. I have a female sunset who eats so agressive that she often kills hanging outside the tub. And she is a little sweetheart when it comes to holding her. My three females are growing great. They are at least a year from breeding though. The male is breeding size and I've been pairing him but have never seen a lock. I hope he's sneak breeding and will surprise me!

    Please upload pictures! I'd love to see some sunsets, as I've only seen a few floating around the internet.
  • 08-19-2016, 08:01 PM
    SamO
    Ah, perhaps I misspoke. I only have Het Sunsets. Male Pastel Het Sunset, two Het Sunset females, and a Cinnamon Pinstripe Het Sunset.
  • 08-21-2016, 02:39 PM
    Trisnake
    Well if anyone has pictures I'd love to see them :)
  • 09-04-2016, 04:11 AM
    Juicebøx
    Re: What is going on with the sunset gene?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SamO View Post
    Ah, perhaps I misspoke. I only have Het Sunsets. Male Pastel Het Sunset, two Het Sunset females, and a Cinnamon Pinstripe Het Sunset.

    If you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for your breeding group? I would love to start saving up for this, and I am wondering how much to save.
  • 09-04-2016, 10:01 AM
    SamO
    The market has changed way too much since I bought mine. You wouldn't pay anywhere near what I paid if you bought them today. I couldn't steer you in the right direction as to current costs. Brock Wagner, Winston Smith could point you in the right direction.
  • 09-04-2016, 10:22 AM
    cchardwick
    I think breeders may be getting smarter with selling their high end snakes. If someone produces something like a Sunset and sells a bunch of them I think the price could drop pretty fast since people will compete with getting to market with their snakes. If they sell a few het at first that would tend to slow down breeders since they may want to keep the first of their sunset to breed back, slowing down competition to market. Perhaps that's why there are so many 'secret' projects, they want to establish a supply before they sell and can pretty much corner the market.
  • 09-04-2016, 08:24 PM
    OhhWatALoser
    Re: What is going on with the sunset gene?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cchardwick View Post
    I think breeders may be getting smarter with selling their high end snakes. If someone produces something like a Sunset and sells a bunch of them I think the price could drop pretty fast since people will compete with getting to market with their snakes. If they sell a few het at first that would tend to slow down breeders since they may want to keep the first of their sunset to breed back, slowing down competition to market. Perhaps that's why there are so many 'secret' projects, they want to establish a supply before they sell and can pretty much corner the market.

    How well did holding back work out for the banana gene?

    It's a recessive gene. It takes far more time to reproduce. Domimant type morphs can rapid breed males and keep reproducing them and be able to identify them. Recessive have to have a het female up to size to even have a shot at reproducing them. Far more time, much more uncertainty (pos hets), and only a 1 in 4 shot with het x het breedings.
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