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Shots of my new babies, Lesser x Pastel
A little early as this is the only one I have taken pictures of. It's absolutely insane as the stripe is unbroken from the eyebrows/jaw to the tail.https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/32...922/Jgbmnu.jpg
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Very unique! Imo, there are more genes in play :-)
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Re: Shots of my new babies, Lesser x Pastel
I keep looking at the babies and a couple are lessers obviously, then one is a normal, but this one and the other one blow the others which look like lesser pastels out of the water. 9 eggs, 1 was bad, the mother accidentily crushed the third one out of the egg, then there was a normal, 2 that were definitely lessers, this one and its sibling, and the rest aren't catelogued yet (the last three were just yesterday and I haven't messed with them but they're somewhere between lesser and lesser pastels).
Honestly when I clipped the eggs after the one snake died and I took the eggs and babies from the mother, my initial impression of this one and its sibling were that they may be platty daddy pastels
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Re: Shots of my new babies, Lesser x Pastel
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Re: Shots of my new babies, Lesser x Pastel
Beautiful snake! But I have a question for you, I'm going to start getting into breeding and I noticed in your "Bonus 2" you said before you removed them from their mother, do you leave the eggs with her? Sorry if this is stupid but I was just wondering because I'm looking for different ways of breeding. Thank you.
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Re: Shots of my new babies, Lesser x Pastel
Maternal incubation is a safe means of incubating your eggs.
Pros-
She will regulate both the temperature and humidity (upwards only for both, can't reduce them)
She won't be as stressed out if she incubates them
There is a high rate of success and it's cheap (you don't need to make/buy an incubator)
Cons-
The mother may not eat (I didn't even offer her food after she laid the eggs, and in total I think she stopped eating for 9 months)
If she does it may damage the eggs
Accidents happen and sometimes babies may not survive (the third snake which was a normal had its neck broken, which may have been from her reacting to me checking on her, no idea, but I had a corpse with a broken neck, which was depressing)
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Re: Shots of my new babies, Lesser x Pastel
Alright, now for the mass photo post. I did this with a daylight bulb in a clamp lamp with a white sheet of paper down. I may end up doing this again with a black shirt as the background to really show off the fading on the snakes. The snakes are in their hatching order, the third snake out of the egg is not present in the pictures for obvious reasons stated earlier.
Lesser 1 ~55g (first snake out, post shed)
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...923/bUEMxL.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...921/Q5172i.jpg
Normal ~52g (second snake out, post blue phase of shed, pre-shed):
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...923/WbBC62.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...924/6SD1gg.jpg
Lesser 2 ~52g (in blue phase of shed)
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...922/FcgzoA.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...923/6mCfHj.jpg
Lesser Pastel 1 ~60g (pre-shed, insane stripe)
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...922/VAqp2o.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...922/3ANqlM.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...924/3g4OBx.jpg
Lesser Pastel 2 ~50g (pre-shed)
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...924/xFIgsa.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...922/2qd1PY.jpg
Lesser or Lesser Pastel 48g (not sure, pre-shed)
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...924/ydHoiS.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...923/OUHXd8.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...921/qn24aQ.jpg
The Twins, Lesser or Lesser Pastel ~32g and ~22g (Not sure, pre-shed)
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...922/9ldQED.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...922/sgSYjb.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...922/RdvgOP.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...922/g5zrqI.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...922/L7dA6e.jpg
I'm not sure what the last 3 are, as they are somewhere between one of the lessers, and one of the lesser pastels, so if anyone is good at identifying, helping me figure out what they are would be appreciated.
Thanks for looking
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Re: Shots of my new babies, Lesser x Pastel
Post 3 consecutively (sorry) and now with darker photos. Same setup as before, but on a faded black shirt. Sorry about the blur
Lesser 1 ~55g (first snake out, post shed)
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...924/q5N2Wj.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...923/2BUJOn.jpg
Normal ~52g (second snake out, post blue phase of shed, pre-shed):
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...922/HbiegF.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...924/LyoVwx.jpg
Lesser 2 ~52g (in blue phase of shed)
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...924/GTqJrT.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...921/PtI5Ii.jpg
Lesser Pastel 1 ~60g (pre-shed, insane stripe)
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...921/bOh9iU.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...923/RBWd6f.jpg
Lesser Pastel 2 ~50g (pre-shed)
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...921/Uoqw7c.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...923/qjqNKZ.jpg
Lesser or Lesser Pastel 48g (not sure, pre-shed)
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...923/GH1WLC.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...923/IToVQq.jpg
The Twins, Lesser or Lesser Pastel ~32g and ~22g (Not sure, pre-shed)
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...921/Wr86Co.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...922/501nB9.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...921/9lQja9.jpg
I'm not sure what the last 3 are, as they are somewhere between one of the lessers, and one of the lesser pastels, so if anyone is good at identifying, helping me figure out what they are would be appreciated.
Thanks for looking
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whatta cool clutch! twins and two fully striped BP's! congrats!
by the way, what do the parents look like?
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Re: Shots of my new babies, Lesser x Pastel
Only one of them has a complete stripe, I can understand if I confused you, though. All of them have great stripes, but only the first Lesser Pastel's is unbroken on it's back. The next closest are the twins which each have 1 break, although they don't have little helmets like the first Lesser Pastel.
As for the parents, the mother is in Blue, but here she is, though she didn't want to sit still:
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...922/zUnM73.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...924/QRguF5.jpg
And the father is the lesser, and here he is in all his chubby glory:
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...921/mB5Zyo.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/18...921/onmyHD.jpg
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the mom is definitely interesting.
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Re: Shots of my new babies, Lesser x Pastel
Based on the two I know are lesser pastels, I kind of think the mom has a hidden gene like the daddy gene. The amount of fading on them exceeds my expectations and pictures I have seen of other lesser pastels.
I can definitely see the genetic striping in both adults, the mother's is slightly patched into her sides, but it's still prominent, while the father has a very defined stripe, which the babies all ended up with (possibly more so than his).
The father was from Adam back when 8-ball pythons was a thing, while the mother was an after thought dirty pastel from a local breeder who sold her to me for 60 (pastels were about 100 at the time) with my fire (who passed due to eating problems -refusing to eat more than once every 3 months- a couple years back, she was found to be malnourished but without other health problems that may have caused it, and I tried everything I could to get her to eat, she just wasn't interested even in lives or gerbils or asfs). Surprising that this breeding turned out so well, considering I hadn't intended on it in the first place.
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Re: Shots of my new babies, Lesser x Pastel
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Originally Posted by WmHrbst
Very unique! Imo, there are more genes in play :-)
Agreed - the side pattern looks too high up and disrupted. Now what I don't know is if you are thinking black pastel/ cinny or yellowbelly or something else as the other gene.
Care to fess up for us terminally befuddled gawpers? :P
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Re: Shots of my new babies, Lesser x Pastel
I honestly have no idea. All I have is the dirty pastel (which is really good looking in my opinion, but she wasn't exactly praised for her pastel-y ness), from a local breeder and I don't even know what he was working with at the time, other than the fire and the pastel. As for the lesser, Adam was amazing with BPs, but he isn't really reachable to find out what was bred to what in the clutch. So I have a nice solidly striped Lesser sold to me as such back in like 2009/2010, and a dirty pastel who was sold to me as such in like 2008. The end result is a bunch of little babies which are god knows what, other than lesser/pastels/normals. And I am stunned these babies came out of the egg looking like someone through another gene in the mix, more so that 2 are lessers, 2 are/were normals, and the other 5 are lesser/pastel/something more.
The only gene I can think of that could have done this is the daddy gene. I'm sure if Adam had recessives in the parents he knew of he would have told me, as for the pastel, well that's anyone's guess, for all I know it had ever recessive in the world XD
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Re: Shots of my new babies, Lesser x Pastel
Darn, I missed it. If anyone wants to merge posts, feel free, if not, eh doubles aren't the end of the world.
The only picture I still have of the mother as a baby:
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/32...924/ifBRbP.jpg
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